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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 15:51:39 GMT
You keep on spouting abstract stats like they're relevant, even though numerous posters keep pointing you in the right direction!! Look again at the link you've shared, and instead look one column to the right of the "Total Tests" column, at the "Total Tests / 1m population". Thats what Captainslapper is going on about. India are 118th in the world on tests when baselined against their population. The UK are 10th. |
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Post by londontown on Jan 31, 2022 15:52:12 GMT
Do cases (positive test results) mean anything, anyway? Especially given that it is conceded that other corona related viruses can throw the test. In reality, only hospitalizations are significant, surely?
As Chris Witty said early on, 80% of folk suffer very mild or no symptoms, and that was before the milder Omicron variant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 15:58:43 GMT
Do cases (positive test results) mean anything, anyway? Especially given that it is conceded that other corona related viruses can throw the test. In reality, only hospitalizations are significant, surely? As Chris Witty said early on, 80% of folk suffer very mild or no symptoms, and that was before the milder Omicron variant. And even then, hospitalisations are not measured and presented in a way that they can be directly interpreted given that...more than 50% of Covid-positive hospital patients are not primarily being treated for the virus. Source: NHS England >> www.datawrapper.de/_/vAvAD |
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Post by londontown on Jan 31, 2022 16:02:40 GMT
Do cases (positive test results) mean anything, anyway? Especially given that it is conceded that other corona related viruses can throw the test. In reality, only hospitalizations are significant, surely? As Chris Witty said early on, 80% of folk suffer very mild or no symptoms, and that was before the milder Omicron variant. And even then, hospitalisations are not measured and presented in a way that they can be directly interpreted given that...more than 50% of Covid-positive hospital patients are not primarily being treated for the virus. Source: NHS England >> www.datawrapper.de/_/vAvADYes, that too. |
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Post by captslapper on Jan 31, 2022 16:17:36 GMT
From that link-
Uk has done 6.6 tests per head of the population
India has done 0.5 tests per head.
So in the UK on average every person has been tested 13 times more than in India!
I suspect in India, unlike the UK, its an exclusive minority section of their society that is getting tested at all.
The hundreds of millions living in urban poverty or rural settings are unlikely to be, so much like I dont think our figures offer much of a true story, I certainly dont think Indias do either.
Im loving the way you have suddenly decided all the UKs official stats on cases and deaths are legitimate though!
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Post by captslapper on Jan 31, 2022 16:21:39 GMT
You wont remember. It never got in the local rag never mind a national one. 15000 people at an event and someone had a heart attack. Must be the vaccine then. A load of trees have blown down round here. Im amazed no ones suggested a link yet. |
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Post by captslapper on Jan 31, 2022 16:23:36 GMT
Do cases (positive test results) mean anything, anyway? Especially given that it is conceded that other corona related viruses can throw the test. In reality, only hospitalizations are significant, surely? As Chris Witty said early on, 80% of folk suffer very mild or no symptoms, and that was before the milder Omicron variant. Whether they mean nothing at all because theyre totally bogus,,, or they mean everything because theyre totally accurate,, seems to depend on what argument youre having at that moment.  |
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 31, 2022 16:59:16 GMT
You keep on spouting abstract stats like they're relevant, even though numerous posters keep pointing you in the right direction!! Look again at the link you've shared, and instead look one column to the right of the "Total Tests" column, at the "Total Tests / 1m population". Thats what Captainslapper is going on about. India are 118th in the world on tests when baselined against their population. The UK are 10th. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. The rate of deaths and cases per million is way, way lower than the heavily vaccinated UK. Remember this is RATE, not total numbers, so population size is irrelevant. India has a RATE per million of 353 deaths FROM Covid, we pretend to have had 2275. India has a RATE per million of 29,000 cases of Covid, where we claim 240,000 As they've conducted almost twice the tests than we have, at almost 780,000,000, I think we can assume that's a large enough sample size to get a decent RATE figure from and disregard Slapps' claim that they don't test enough to give an accurate figure. Do you understand the point I'm making, as Slapps got confused by the word "rate" too? |
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 31, 2022 17:01:55 GMT
From that link- Uk has done 6.6 tests per head of the population India has done 0.5 tests per head. So in the UK on average every person has been tested 13 times more than in India! I suspect in India, unlike the UK, its an exclusive minority section of their society that is getting tested at all. The hundreds of millions living in urban poverty or rural settings are unlikely to be, so much like I dont think our figures offer much of a true story, I certainly dont think Indias do either. Im loving the way you have suddenly decided all the UKs official stats on cases and deaths are legitimate though! Where as I suspect they only test if they think they may have it, not twice a week with no symptoms, as we do with millions of school kids and workers. They've carried out well over a billion tests, I think that's a large enough sample to be able to say their death and infection RATES are way better than ours. |
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 31, 2022 17:08:31 GMT
You wont remember. It never got in the local rag never mind a national one. 15000 people at an event and someone had a heart attack. Must be the vaccine then. A load of trees have blown down round here. Im amazed no ones suggested a link yet. Well there you go. I wouldn't expect anything else from you, so desperate to defend your decision, which is looking more and more to be a poor life choice, that you'll blatantly ignore things happening right under your nose if they don't meet your agenda. You'd have to suffer a heart attack yourself to wake up to the problem. Even if you finally did, you'd blame everything but the vaccine. A growing number of others are waking up to the fact that there is a huge rise in the number of cases amongst players, at least, even if you wont accept the number of match delays due to crowd members suffering sudden heart attacks. People are also noticing it in their social circle. 5 EFL matches in a weekend. This is unheard of. Two cases at Town alone in a few weeks. A former player, with no underlying conditions, in his 40's last week. Danny Ward struggling for breath on his first run 3 minutes into a match last week. Players are starting to notice what's going on, even if you flatly refuse to defend your choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 17:25:49 GMT
You keep on spouting abstract stats like they're relevant, even though numerous posters keep pointing you in the right direction!! Look again at the link you've shared, and instead look one column to the right of the "Total Tests" column, at the "Total Tests / 1m population". Thats what Captainslapper is going on about. India are 118th in the world on tests when baselined against their population. The UK are 10th. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. The rate of deaths and cases per million is way, way lower than the heavily vaccinated UK. Remember this is RATE, not total numbers, so population size is irrelevant. India has a RATE per million of 353 deaths FROM Covid, we pretend to have had 2275. India has a RATE per million of 29,000 cases of Covid, where we claim 240,000 As they've conducted almost twice the tests than we have, at almost 780,000,000, I think we can assume that's a large enough sample size to get a decent RATE figure from and disregard Slapps' claim that they don't test enough to give an accurate figure. Do you understand the point I'm making, as Slapps got confused by the word "rate" too? The numbers are incomparable. They mean nothing. You're saying India have conducted almost twice the tests that we have (they haven't actually) - so you're using that as your baseline, rather than the rate of tests.....but ok - lets fly with that - they've tested 1.6x more than we have. BUT - looking at the headline totals for deaths, their total deaths is 3x higher than ours. So - a given person in India who tests positively, is approximately TWICE as likely to then die compared to a given similarly positive tested person in the UK. Just remind me again what the point is you're trying to actually make - that India hasn't suffered as much because it hasn't pushed out vaccines as aggressively? It has. And thats despite all sorts of reasons that would naturally make the India population LESS likely to suffer...such as spending much more time out doors, having a much lower average age, and being a much less mobile nation, with far fewer tourist and overseas business visitors and being a much more massive country. You can't use absolute numbers of tests on one hand and rate of deaths on the other hand and start moaning people don't understand the word "rate"! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 17:31:14 GMT
Two cases at Town alone in a few weeks. A former player, with no underlying conditions, in his 40's last week. Danny Ward struggling for breath on his first run 3 minutes into a match last week. You don't know what happened with Jamie Vincent and it won't be made public - so please don't go there 😡 Same with Danny Ward...you/we have no idea what caused his issues with breathlessness....do a little search on the symptoms of caffeine overdose. And then do a little google on "Danny Ward caffeine". |
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Post by captslapper on Jan 31, 2022 17:47:17 GMT
You keep on spouting abstract stats like they're relevant, even though numerous posters keep pointing you in the right direction!! Look again at the link you've shared, and instead look one column to the right of the "Total Tests" column, at the "Total Tests / 1m population". Thats what Captainslapper is going on about. India are 118th in the world on tests when baselined against their population. The UK are 10th. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. The rate of deaths and cases per million is way, way lower than the heavily vaccinated UK. Remember this is RATE, not total numbers, so population size is irrelevant. India has a RATE per million of 353 deaths FROM Covid, we pretend to have had 2275. India has a RATE per million of 29,000 cases of Covid, where we claim 240,000 As they've conducted almost twice the tests than we have, at almost 780,000,000, I think we can assume that's a large enough sample size to get a decent RATE figure from and disregard Slapps' claim that they don't test enough to give an accurate figure. Do you understand the point I'm making, as Slapps got confused by the word "rate" too? How can I be confused by a word you didnt use? 'It might surprise you to know that India has taken the second largest number of tests, behind the US, but above us with almost twice as many tests carried out.
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
The country who used Ivermectin instead of allowing Pfizer to hatchet job it so they could flog their 100 times more expensive rehash, also has only around 15% of the recorded cases and deaths that the UK has, even with almost twice as many tests being carried out.
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You trying to make out they test twice as much as us is totally disingenuous. Your own link says each person in the Uk has been tested THIRTEEN times more than each person in India on average. they have done a large amount of tests in India..but when its on a monumentally large population, a huge proportion of which will be ignored, it doesnt give that much of an accurate figure, no. Certainly not compared to the UK where we've tested across all parts of society equally and far ( 13 times!) more frequently. the average age in India is 28.4 by the way, as apose to ours being over 40. So thats Bangladesh and India done... which poor country will you find next where they do a lot less testing, find less positive cases and so can't pin deaths on covid spuriously like we do? |
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Post by captslapper on Jan 31, 2022 18:03:46 GMT
You wont remember. It never got in the local rag never mind a national one. 15000 people at an event and someone had a heart attack. Must be the vaccine then. A load of trees have blown down round here. Im amazed no ones suggested a link yet. Well there you go. I wouldn't expect anything else from you, so desperate to defend your decision, which is looking more and more to be a poor life choice, that you'll blatantly ignore things happening right under your nose if they don't meet your agenda. You'd have to suffer a heart attack yourself to wake up to the problem. Even if you finally did, you'd blame everything but the vaccine. A growing number of others are waking up to the fact that there is a huge rise in the number of cases amongst players, at least, even if you wont accept the number of match delays due to crowd members suffering sudden heart attacks. People are also noticing it in their social circle. 5 EFL matches in a weekend. This is unheard of. Two cases at Town alone in a few weeks. A former player, with no underlying conditions, in his 40's last week. Danny Ward struggling for breath on his first run 3 minutes into a match last week. Players are starting to notice what's going on, even if you flatly refuse to defend your choice. Only one of us is coming across as being desperate to defend their decision. Im happy with my choice as logic and evidence backs it up. Youre the one thats having to be pretty 'creative' with a lot of stuff to back yours up. How do you know 5 in a weekend is unheard of? It was never reported in the national press until now. In between looking for conspiracy theories to follow, did you used to spend your time searching through the local papers of clubs up and down the country looking for mentions of fans collapsing at games? |
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Post by londontown on Jan 31, 2022 18:37:02 GMT
Do cases (positive test results) mean anything, anyway? Especially given that it is conceded that other corona related viruses can throw the test. In reality, only hospitalizations are significant, surely? As Chris Witty said early on, 80% of folk suffer very mild or no symptoms, and that was before the milder Omicron variant. Whether they mean nothing at all because theyre totally bogus,,, or they mean everything because theyre totally accurate,, seems to depend on what argument youre having at that moment.  Yes, to a large extent. If you want to scare the shit out of everybody, you can quote the 'case' stats. They sound terrible, and appear to be even worse in the most vaccinated countries. Therefore we need more of the same. More lockdowns. More boosters. If you want to provide some perspective, you merely need to point out the rate of hospitalizations per million cases, and the fact that most 'Covid mortalities' died with Covid, not from it. Not to mention the fact that most of those in hospital with Covid caught it there, after being admitted for something else. Lie, damned lies, and stats, and all that. |
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