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Post by Deep Space on Jul 8, 2022 12:58:33 GMT
So what are people's thoughts & predictions on this? Who might win & by how clear a margin?
I can't say I've got a clear idea personally but wonder what the long-term consequences might be for the party, especially if it ends up all very close. Anyway it will be interesting to look back in September & see who called it accurately.
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Post by cissystrutt74 on Jul 8, 2022 13:27:24 GMT
Personally think they need someone with a bit of distance to the current shower, someone like Maudaunt or Baker
Any one of the current crop truss, sunak, jabit, hunt, gove and they’re doomed
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Post by Deep Space on Jul 8, 2022 13:37:56 GMT
Personally think they need someone with a bit of distance to the current shower, someone like Maudaunt or Baker Any one of the current crop truss, sunak, jabit, hunt, gove and they’re doomed I'm tempted to agree...a sort of 'who is least like Boris' candidate. In effect that's what Labour did with the last two leadership elections. Lurched to the left with the wildest of wild card candidates. We all had a bit of fun until it all went pear-shaped then back to Mr Dour. I think someone who gives an appearance of taking it seriously, & as an added bonus hasn't been tarred with the BJ brush would make a lot of sense. |
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Post by foxtrot777 on Jul 9, 2022 10:53:59 GMT
Personally think they need someone with a bit of distance to the current shower, someone like Maudaunt or Baker Any one of the current crop truss, sunak, jabit, hunt, gove and they’re doomed I agree, a fresh face is required, I see Baker has decided not to stand and is backing Suella Braverman. Tom Tugendhat and Kemi Badenoch are 2 others to put their names forward and only Sunak so far from the 'doomed' . It will be interesting to see who else joins the race this week but hopefully it will be only 2 or 3 , no point in the likes of Gove joining in. |
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Post by Deep Space on Jul 9, 2022 11:27:58 GMT
Interesting to see some battle lines being drawn. Sunak appearing to describe any prospects of tax cuts as a 'fairy tale', Badenoch promising them & Braverman offering "rapid and large tax cuts".
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Post by foxtrot777 on Jul 10, 2022 8:23:45 GMT
Up to 8 now with Javid, Hunt, Zahawi and Shapps, that's enough, Sunak 15/8 fav, hope the bookies are wrong.
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Post by santiagoterrier on Jul 10, 2022 10:10:36 GMT
Up to 8 now with Javid, Hunt, Zahawi and Shapps, that's enough, Sunak 15/8 fav, hope the bookies are wrong. And claims that the “4 Rishi” video, I mean c’mon 4 Rishi not for Rishi, he’s trying to become U.K. prime minister not a hall monitor at junior school, apparently it was made in June but he only resigned last week? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2022 11:07:20 GMT
Up to 8 now with Javid, Hunt, Zahawi and Shapps, that's enough, Sunak 15/8 fav, hope the bookies are wrong. And claims that the “4 Rishi” video, I mean c’mon 4 Rishi not for Rishi, he’s trying to become U.K. prime minister not a hall monitor at junior school, apparently it was made in June but he only resigned last week? What I find interesting is - whilst he's jumped on the ready4rishi now ( with the top level domain name only recently registered on the 6th of July >> Whois > Ready4Rishi.com), actually www.ReadyForRishi.com also exists...and...it doesn't take any great brains to do a whois and discover that was registered in December '21 ... Whois > ReadyForRishi.comI guess these guys at the top table always have an exit plan. |
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Post by santiagoterrier on Jul 10, 2022 11:36:29 GMT
And claims that the “4 Rishi” video, I mean c’mon 4 Rishi not for Rishi, he’s trying to become U.K. prime minister not a hall monitor at junior school, apparently it was made in June but he only resigned last week? What I find interesting is - whilst he's jumped on the ready4rishi now ( with the top level domain name only recently registered on the 6th of July >> Whois > Ready4Rishi.com), actually www.ReadyForRishi.com also exists...and...it doesn't take any great brains to do a whois and discover that was registered in December '21 ... Whois > ReadyForRishi.comI guess these guys at the top table always have an exit plan. Which reinforces an argument I’ve held for years about politicians of all parties - they are in it for themselves not for the good of others, all the ministers that finally decided to resign last week, they are entitled to 3 months pay ! Go back 50 years or so, Heath and Wilson you would favour one over the other but whatever policies they wanted it was because they felt, rightly or wrongly, it was for the benefit of U.K. plc, todays lot will consult with advisors and PR gurus to see how it flies with the public before getting behind it or not, will it be a vote winner, not is it what the country needs. |
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Post by Deep Space on Jul 11, 2022 9:23:19 GMT
Going off tangent for a moment, but that's an interesting comparison with Heath & Wilson. I can't pretend to know much about Heath, but recently read Ben Pimlott's superb biography of our Harold.
Wilson is actually often associated with the development of the concept of special political advisers (SPADs). One thing he did was create his so-called Kitchen Cabinet (named, I believe, for their tendency to get together for long political discussions into the night in the Downing Street kitchen). These were a network of advisors, trade unionists & others he trusted. In the main, people who came from the 'Labourist' wing of the party that he tended to trust rather than the 'Wykehamist' wing who he largely didn't. Generally people who Wilson saw as 'on his wavelength'. Benn was part of it from memory until he started to drift leftwards, particularly over the common market, & was disposed of.
The other, more significant, 'SPAD', also a member of the Kitchen Cabinet but way beyond that was Marcia Williams. Now that's a fascinating story & way off-topic for this thread, but she was, by all accounts, a stunningly intelligent political thinker & Wilson came to rely on her more & more as time went by. Of course, because she was female, the natural assumption was that they were having an affair. Harold MacMillan said something along the lines of, "Fancy her being in Downing Street...at least I had the decency to keep my mistress in St John's Wood". Pimlott asserts throughout that Wilson saw her as a political ally, not a sexual one.
Where I would agree with you absolutely though is that these were circles focussed on politics, not on PR. He certainly always had an eye on the electoral situation but was trying to find political answers that would boost his & Labour's standing, not coming from a starting point of manipulating the media to fit policy around. Anyway, I digress...back on topic!
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Post by Deep Space on Jul 11, 2022 9:24:16 GMT
So we are up to 11 now & Zahawi calling foul is maybe the first sign of it getting dirty?
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Post by clappyhapper on Jul 11, 2022 13:18:27 GMT
I wonder if Schwab has decided who the winner will be yet? Penny Mordaunt is a WEF member and shares Schwab's Globalist agenda. She goes to all his little meetings at Davos.
Oh, and Lord of the pandemic control, Supreme Leander Bill of Gates wrote the forward to her book.
If that doesn't set Canada/Netherlands/New Zealand WEF stooge alarm bells ringing, you're beyond help.
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Post by tinrope on Jul 12, 2022 0:26:12 GMT
I wonder if Schwab has decided who the winner will be yet? Penny Mordaunt is a WEF member and shares Schwab's Globalist agenda. She goes to all his little meetings at Davos. Oh, and Lord of the pandemic control, Supreme Leander Bill of Gates wrote the forward to her book. If that doesn't set Canada/Netherlands/New Zealand WEF stooge alarm bells ringing, you're beyond help. What side of the 'beyond help' boundary would you lie on, exactly? |
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Post by foxtrot777 on Jul 12, 2022 12:01:33 GMT
I see Shapps has pulled out and is now (along with Raab) backing Sunak, I expect they've both been promised good jobs if he wins. 10 left standing and they all need 20 nominations by 6pm, lots of deals to be done over the coming days.
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Post by captslapper on Jul 12, 2022 15:14:48 GMT
Think will boil down to Sunak v Truss.
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