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Post by enoch on Aug 17, 2021 20:40:52 GMT
Discuss....
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Post by enoch on Dec 20, 2021 10:17:36 GMT
In Leeds today, I always like to have a drive through some of the ghettos before reaching the centre. I caught glimpse of a old black acquantence of mine walking into a Caribbean themed corner shop so I pull over. I used to work with this man and I almost considered calling him a friend. He talked like you and I, had a half decent job and courted a white girl. Lone behold his voice has now changed to a strong Caribbean accent, as though plucked from thin air. Where are you working now Jeff I ask, I'm not blood, I is wearing a tag now bro. I said goodbye and drove off.
Leeds is fucking horrible, it's either ghettos and shanty towns or the pompous city centre full of materialistic fit for nothing fiends who are desperately unhappy, so much so the comfort of posting a image in a wine bar wearing their Canada goose jackets on instagram is their only medicine to keep them 'alive' for another hour or so.
Back to Wakefield where people treat people right.
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Post by schindlersfist on Dec 20, 2021 14:11:05 GMT
Very odd bloke. Wakefields a shit hole pal.
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Post by enoch on Dec 20, 2021 14:15:51 GMT
Very odd bloke. Wakefields a shit hole pal. yeah and where do you live kirklees? Might be a shithole but it's my shithole and Id feel a lot safer walking the streets of Wakefield than Huddersfield without doubt. |
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Post by enoch on Dec 20, 2021 14:38:06 GMT
Was also clear in Leeds this morning that e scooters have become the chosen method of transport for certain groups of yobs. Nikey trainers and wireless earphones, probably listening to 'drill' music as they whizz through scores of pedestrians without a care in the world, luring upon vunerable impressionable girls who think it's the 'in' thing to become breeding sacks for soon to be absent fathers. The shop fronts of jd sports and others present these young 'men' in large colourful posters which tells society this is how we should be. Fried chicken joints are bustling with the sound of silence as they sit head down, ear phones in and phone in hand, stuffing deep fried chicken into their vocabulary absent mouths. Welcome to modern day Britain, Instagram is conversation, a career in drugs and theft where knife is king.
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Post by enoch on Dec 20, 2021 14:41:41 GMT
And the mask has become a must have accessory for the criminally minded
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Post by tinpot on Dec 20, 2021 19:27:00 GMT
I'd be interested to see statistical evidence regarding skin colour vs criminality, but also have it standardised against other factors such as socio-economic etc.
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Post by El Mel on Dec 21, 2021 6:52:56 GMT
I'd be interested to see statistical evidence regarding skin colour vs criminality, but also have it standardised against other factors such as socio-economic etc. This provides some of the information but not specifically what you are looking for. I does break down the arrests by ethnicity into each police force, so you can see the trends in citie compared to more rural areas. Humberside has the most arrests per 1000 people - yet not a particularly hogh number are black./ Dorset police have the most number of arrests of black people per 1000 people, byt maybe that says as much about the police force in Dorset as it does the people that live or socialise there? It's all a bit ambiguous to draw any definitive conclusions, but I think it's fair to say, black people are more likey to commit crime, and also more likely to live in more socially demanding enviroments. www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest |
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Post by realmadkid on Dec 21, 2021 9:07:53 GMT
I also think there is another element at play here. In my view there's no doubt that black people have had the rough end of the stick over the years and this has contributed to the proliferation of disenfranchised young black lads and men turning to crime in desperation - or even in sheer rebellion in some cases.
This then becomes a kind of vicious circle and turns police attitudes to these groups into victimisation. And then of course on and on the cycle goes, spiralling downwards and polarising attitudes.
I don't doubt that 'black crime' on the whole is greater than 'white crime' - the stats are there to show this to be the case, but its certainly a more complex issue than it would appear to be on the surface.
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Post by tinpot on Dec 21, 2021 9:57:49 GMT
I'd be interested to see statistical evidence regarding skin colour vs criminality, but also have it standardised against other factors such as socio-economic etc. This provides some of the information but not specifically what you are looking for. I does break down the arrests by ethnicity into each police force, so you can see the trends in citie compared to more rural areas. Humberside has the most arrests per 1000 people - yet not a particularly hogh number are black./ Dorset police have the most number of arrests of black people per 1000 people, byt maybe that says as much about the police force in Dorset as it does the people that live or socialise there? It's all a bit ambiguous to draw any definitive conclusions, but I think it's fair to say, black people are more likey to commit crime, and also more likely to live in more socially demanding enviroments. www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latestThank you. It doesn't answer my question fully but it's interesting & informative nonetheless. I suppose the question I'm really driving at is - why are black people more likely to be arrested? Is it simply because black people are more likely to come from poorer socio-economic backgrounds (and people from poorer socio-economic backgrounds are more likely to be arrested regardless of skin colour)? Is it because the police see black faces & are less ready to give the benefit of the doubt? Is it because we (as a society) keep repeating the mantra that black people are less likely to be given a chance & it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy? All of the above? Something else? |
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Post by foxtrot777 on Dec 21, 2021 9:58:29 GMT
In Leeds today, I always like to have a drive through some of the ghettos before reaching the centre. I caught glimpse of a old black acquantence of mine walking into a Caribbean themed corner shop so I pull over. I used to work with this man and I almost considered calling him a friend. He talked like you and I, had a half decent job and courted a white girl. Lone behold his voice has now changed to a strong Caribbean accent, as though plucked from thin air. Where are you working now Jeff I ask, I'm not blood, I is wearing a tag now bro. I said goodbye and drove off. Leeds is fucking horrible, it's either ghettos and shanty towns or the pompous city centre full of materialistic fit for nothing fiends who are desperately unhappy, so much so the comfort of posting a image in a wine bar wearing their Canada goose jackets on instagram is their only medicine to keep them 'alive' for another hour or so. Back to Wakefield where people treat people right. Got to take issue there Enoch, like all Cities it's got it's good and bad. You wouldn't want to live in places like Halton Moor, Beeston, Seacroft and worst of all Harehills but there are some really nice bits as well, Horsforth, Meanwood, Chapel Allerton and where I live in Pudsey. If you've got a bit more brass then Roundhay, Adel and Bramhope are all high end but a bit posh for me. I don't go into the city centre much these days but from what I hear it's pretty lively on a night with plenty of bars restaurants and shows. Lot worse places than Leeds to live Enoch, shame about the football team though. |
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Post by enoch on Dec 21, 2021 18:46:21 GMT
Would everyone agree that 2021 in Britain is the best time and place to be black? I would. Opportunities are rife. Only yesterday I saw a young black in a suit walking alongside a blonde woman in a suit. Obviously graduates working at a law firm or the likes. So what are these socio economic issues branded about?
I'd wager that been a 2021 young black heading towards adulthood gives you more opportunity than your white counterpart.
Times have changed.
To put it lightly, maybe it's time the black community address its in house issues, rather than playing the blame game. Want to move away from the criminal stigma? Then follow the correct path that's been layed right before you, in the knowledge that yours no longer has steps to reach it and a handrail lines it's route.
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Post by El Mel on Dec 21, 2021 19:20:22 GMT
Would everyone agree that 2021 in Britain is the best time and place to be black? I would. Opportunities are rife. Only yesterday I saw a young black in a suit walking alongside a blonde woman in a suit. Obviously graduates working at a law firm or the likes. So what are these socio economic issues branded about? I'd wager that been a 2021 young black heading towards adulthood gives you more opportunity than your white counterpart. Times have changed. To put it lightly, maybe it's time the black community address its in house issues, rather than playing the blame game. Want to move away from the criminal stigma? Then follow the correct path that's been layed right before you, in the knowledge that yours no longer has steps to reach it and a handrail lines it's route. I'm not sure, there's a massive spotlight on black people now, brought about in part by the BLM movement - it was never so focussed when I was younger, there would of course been more racism although at the time it wouldn't have been recognised as such, but the black people I knew then were accepted for who they were. It feels now like we've moved into a position where black people have to be black people, rather than just people. |
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Post by enoch on Dec 21, 2021 19:39:05 GMT
Would everyone agree that 2021 in Britain is the best time and place to be black? I would. Opportunities are rife. Only yesterday I saw a young black in a suit walking alongside a blonde woman in a suit. Obviously graduates working at a law firm or the likes. So what are these socio economic issues branded about? I'd wager that been a 2021 young black heading towards adulthood gives you more opportunity than your white counterpart. Times have changed. To put it lightly, maybe it's time the black community address its in house issues, rather than playing the blame game. Want to move away from the criminal stigma? Then follow the correct path that's been layed right before you, in the knowledge that yours no longer has steps to reach it and a handrail lines it's route. I'm not sure, there's a massive spotlight on black people now, brought about in part by the BLM movement - it was never so focussed when I was younger, there would of course been more racism although at the time it wouldn't have been recognised as such, but the black people I knew then were accepted for who they were. It feels now like we've moved into a position where black people have to be black people, rather than just people. exactly, its a though the mission to bring equality to all human beings is only achieved by separating people into groups, and them groups shouting and screaming from the rooftops about being in that group. Further division is being caused by these movements, whether it be the blacks or lgbtq. I question whether equality is the goal and if superiority has now taken its place. |
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Post by Lard Buttie on Dec 21, 2021 20:25:23 GMT
When I worked at Sainsburys in town circa 1985/1986 the deputy manager was a black bloke (Rob Horsefall I think his name was) The highest ranking black person in the company nationally at the time - he was as sound as fuck - didn't suffer fools and commanded respect - I got on really well with him so much he lent me & a work pal his mini car to go to visit some other pals at Durham Uni. We picked it up after it had been valeted. The fact he was the highest ranking black person in the company then insinuated racism at play.
But this country has been a good place for black people to live & work for a long long time IMHO.
It's one thing to be given an opportunity, the hard thing is taking it.
Some people (both black & white) do, others don't then bleat about it
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