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Post by captslapper on Apr 26, 2022 8:11:28 GMT
Absolutely. Shield.. and thats properly shield.. (not the half-assed ineffective 'shielding' we actually did) ...the people who we very quickly knew were the ones at risk from this virus.. and let the world of the vast majority we very quickly knew weren't at risk continue around them.
Our inability to make such pragmatic decisions has been our biggest weakness and has lead to greater deaths tolls and so much economic pain.
Covid itself was very selective on who it killed ( yes there will always be heartbreaking examples where it isn't, but in general it has been ) but we totally failed to take advantage of that. We ignored it.
Rather than using common sense and pragmatism to combat Covid, we used emotive stories in our hysterical media and far-fetched worse case scenario predictions from scientists with long records of ludicrous far fetched predictions. We allowed our NHS to abandon anyone who didnt have covid. We did everything we could to stop covids spread amongst people who it would not effect seriously, even at times where the hospitals were practically empty..giving the virus a bigger pool to spread amongst in more challenging times. We just made our problems worse with stupidity and weakness... over and over again.
And all the time the average age of death 'with' covid was HIGHER than the average age of death overall.
Not just this country.. all similar countries ran the same feeble-minded shit show.
And so many of the people bleating on now about price hikes, inflation, higher taxes, cost of living etc were the ones desperately advocating total universal lockdowns for all at every turn. We made our bed.. as the saying goes.
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Post by santiagoterrier on Apr 26, 2022 10:05:00 GMT
Spain has just (on the 20th) done away with compulsory mask wearing in most situations except for hospitals but you wouldn’t know it, there’s still more people wearing them than not. I saw the riots in China on the news the other day, since late March 25/26 Million people, in one city, only allowed out for food have decided enough is enough and started to protest riot about it, makes you wonder will it ever end ? I can't believe China seems to be still locking down people so rigidly , yes the virus can still be fatal to the elderly and the unlucky few , but we have to live with the virus , It is not just going to go away. I was totally against the lockdown , the more vulnerable should have been shielded quicker , the rest of us should have carried on as normal , just as we are doing now . What a massive amount of money has been wasted on a virus they now tell us we are all just going to have to live with ! Maybe they feel guilty for unleashing it in the first place ? The lockdowns in force in China are actually quite scary, no driving to Barnard Castle there.
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Post by cissystrutt74 on May 2, 2022 10:43:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2022 12:38:24 GMT
Another new variant may be on its way from Africa.....little bastards!
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Post by santiagoterrier on May 2, 2022 15:19:15 GMT
It’s also been announced today the Government is paying £0.5M a day for storage of unused and basically unusable PPE, hot on the heels last week of the confirmation that billions of pounds of tax payers money has found to be fraudulently claimed during the great giveaway to support business as the lockdown started.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 12:45:59 GMT
An Australian woman has apparently died from flurona....C19 and flu combined.
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Post by gingerbreadman on May 4, 2022 13:53:06 GMT
An Australian woman has apparently died from flurona....C19 and flu combined. Before Covid-19 flu was the cause of death for a fair few people and it was considered a sad but acceptable consequence of the virus season. Since the arrival of Covid it no longer appears to be acceptable to succumb to a virus borne respiratory illness and the media are all over it. Quite odd really.
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Post by El Mel on May 5, 2022 17:32:10 GMT
Visited the Uk at the weeekend, 1st time on a plane since November 2020.
Ryanair flights both ways - on the way to LBA, the crew were adamant that you were wearing a mask, couldn't board without one on, and the staff were making sure people were wearing them ecept when eating or drinking. On the return flight, complete opposite, they were asking if people had masks with them and "put it on when you get sat down". By the time we landed, nobody was really wearing them apart from the crew.
Interestingly, they sold a shit tonne of inflight food and drinks, and the laid back steward even flogged a load of those lottery tickets that nobody ever buys.
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Post by cissystrutt74 on May 6, 2022 7:05:15 GMT
Visited the Uk at the weeekend, 1st time on a plane since November 2020. Ryanair flights both ways - on the way to LBA, the crew were adamant that you were wearing a mask, couldn't board without one on, and the staff were making sure people were wearing them ecept when eating or drinking. On the return flight, complete opposite, they were asking if people had masks with them and "put it on when you get sat down". By the time we landed, nobody was really wearing them apart from the crew. Interestingly, they sold a shit tonne of inflight food and drinks, and the laid back steward even flogged a load of those lottery tickets that nobody ever buys. Just waiting for spanish covid rules to relax and we'll be booking a week on ibiza. I've heard they're reviewing the rules end of May?
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Post by captslapper on May 6, 2022 8:50:49 GMT
Results starting to be formed by WHO on how different countries 'performed' in terms of excess death rates during the covid crisis...easily the most accurate way of assessing it as it takes into account the vagaries of what constitutes a 'covid death' and also factors in deaths indirectly caused by lockdown measures. The UK is heading for a mid table position it seems despite all the furore about how bad our response was probably the most interesting one ( and the one the BBC predictably totally ignore in their piece this morning ) is Sweden, who despite being largely alone in Europe by NOT enforcing strict lockdowns have actually performed better than most other European countries. Not sure what the conclusions will be...but on the face of it they should maybe suggest that lockdowns etc didnt actually make much positive difference..especially when the negative repercussions are factored in. That each country was largely going to have its own 'end result' in terms of deaths based on all kinds of factors,,, not least simply how many vulnerable people it had going into it, regardless of what it did. Its almost a case of which countries did most damage to themselves, including non-covid deaths, in order to try and stop something that was largely inevitable. Sweden probably wins on that score. www.bbc.co.uk/news/61333847
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Post by cissystrutt74 on May 6, 2022 9:41:28 GMT
Results starting to be formed by WHO on how different countries 'performed' in terms of excess death rates during the covid crisis...easily the most accurate way of assessing it as it takes into account the vagaries of what constitutes a 'covid death' and also factors in deaths indirectly caused by lockdown measures. The UK is heading for a mid table position it seems despite all the furore about how bad our response was probably the most interesting one ( and the one the BBC predictably totally ignore in their piece this morning ) is Sweden, who despite being largely alone in Europe by NOT enforcing strict lockdowns have actually performed better than most other European countries. Not sure what the conclusions will be...but on the face of it they should maybe suggest that lockdowns etc didnt actually make much positive difference..especially when the negative repercussions are factored in. That each country was largely going to have its own 'end result' in terms of deaths based on all kinds of factors,,, not least simply how many vulnerable people it had going into it, regardless of what it did. Its almost a case of which countries did most damage to themselves, including non-covid deaths, in order to try and stop something that was largely inevitable. Sweden probably wins on that score. www.bbc.co.uk/news/61333847Saw a graph on this yesterday but will have to dig it out that had China on minus 2 FFS Thats one of a few details that tells me this report isnt worth the paper it's written on
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Post by captslapper on May 6, 2022 10:38:34 GMT
Suppose it relies on accurate figures on excess deaths which with some countries ( china obviously being one ) you are unlikely to get.
So much of it all was hysteria driven by the media and SAGE, with our government falling in behind them at every turn. Recall a stat from early 2021 that showed how the UK death rate in 2020 .. the year covid really trashed society and the economy , was markedly up on the previous 2 or 3 years ( when flu deaths had been very low ) but when compared with most years between the 1980s, and 2000s, it would have been perfectly 'normal' and passed by without any comment.
A particularly bad flu strain appearing in 2020 would have had a similar effect on the excess amount of 'dry timber' we had after years of mild flu seasons that covid had, and it would have gone on with just a few columns in the paper about it being a particularly bad flu season this year.
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Post by clappyhapper on Jun 27, 2022 14:11:55 GMT
I see "Sudden unexpected heart issues disease" is alive and well at Wimbledon. 2 in one set... www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19014092/novak-djokovic-wimbledon-match-suspended-medical-emergency/This is just coincidence, it always used to happen, but doctors are baffled. Move along, nothing to see here, even though it's the tax payer, not "immune from prosecution" large pharma, who are now paying compo claims for "administered under emergency measures and not properly tested", Vaccine deaths and injuries.
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Post by scutcher on Jul 12, 2022 8:59:43 GMT
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Post by captslapper on Jul 12, 2022 15:19:14 GMT
You think we are?? I can't see that at all. Not for this strain of omicron anyway. Think the fear factor has all but gone now and even the BBC would struggle to whip it up again. Everyone knows its basically like a bad cold.. or very mild flu. Think the most wed get ( or tolerate ) is having to wear masks in certain places like hospitals again.
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