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Post by londontown on Feb 4, 2022 17:12:46 GMT
I see Barbara Streisand is jumping on the bandwagon now. When will she learn?  The Streisand effect is a phenomenon that occurs when an attempt to hide, remove, or censor information has the unintended consequence of increasing awareness of that information, often via the Internet. It is named after American singer Barbra Streisand, whose attempt to suppress the California Coastal Records Project’s photograph of her residence in Malibu, California, taken to document California coastal erosion, inadvertently drew greater attention to the photograph in 2003. |
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Post by tinpot on Feb 4, 2022 21:46:34 GMT
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Feb 5, 2022 11:47:42 GMT
Even jokes are illegal now.
The usual left wing bed-wetters are offended on behalf of others and are harassing the Met to execute a comedian now.
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Feb 7, 2022 9:20:24 GMT
This is getting hilarious now, the Cancel Culture WOKE bandwagon is loading up and even audience members who laughed at a joke, now need castrating.
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Post by foxtrot777 on Feb 7, 2022 10:25:15 GMT
This is getting hilarious now, the Cancel Culture WOKE bandwagon is loading up and even audience members who laughed at a joke, now need castrating. It will be interesting to see where this goes , fair play to Carr for having the balls to make a joke like that in this day and age but I wonder what effect it will have on his career |
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Feb 7, 2022 10:32:57 GMT
It will be interesting to see where this goes , fair play to Carr for having the balls to make a joke like that in this day and age but I wonder what effect it will have on his careerIt will boost his popularity amongst the vast majority of his audience and lower the number of yogurt weaving cockwombles who attend. Win-Win. A handful of Z list left wing attention seeking WOKEsters on Twitter is not his audience. I think a lot of platforms and businesses are now realising that siding with the cancel culture morons, actually makes more people boycott the business. |
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Post by captslapper on Feb 7, 2022 10:43:37 GMT
Hes had it hasnt he?
The extreme woke zealots are gunning for him and with them come all the people who need to be seen as supporting the extreme woke zealots... and thats includes all the main tv stations.
They'll be too scared of the backlash if they employ him....another victory for censorship out of fear.
None of them have the brains to understand what a joke is.. that it isn't an actual opinion... it isn't a statement of fact.
It can be, as in this case, a statement that deliberately grates so much with the accepted opinion that the humour is in how 'wrong' the statement is. To them its just hate speech.
Do these people really have such a low opinion of the peoples intelligence that they seriously think the audience is sat there thinking 'Hmmm, yeah,,Jimmy is right,, actually it was great that all those millions of gypsies were murdered in concentration camps' ?
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Post by londontown on Feb 7, 2022 10:58:49 GMT
If bad taste jokes are off the menu, there are numerous comedians who are going to have to cull their material. It's getting out of hand.
Gallows Humour used to be a coping mechanism for so much of the shit in life.
An interesting perspective IMHO
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Post by Deep Space on Feb 7, 2022 11:08:28 GMT
Hes had it hasnt he? The extreme woke zealots are gunning for him and with them come all the people who need to be seen as supporting the extreme woke zealots... and thats includes all the main tv stations. They'll be too scared of the backlash if they employ him....another victory for censorship out of fear. None of them have the brains to understand what a joke is.. that it isn't an actual opinion... it isn't a statement of fact. It can be, as in this case, a statement that deliberately grates so much with the accepted opinion that the humour is in how 'wrong' the statement is. To them its just hate speech. Do these people really have such a low opinion of the peoples intelligence that they seriously think the audience is sat there thinking 'Hmmm, yeah,,Jimmy is right,, actually it was great that all those millions of gypsies were murdered in concentration camps' ? Society has (& has to have) certain sensibilities & no-go areas in order to function effectively. Defining those though is like herding cats. The Holocaust has been, to all intents & purposes, a no-go area since 1945 & no comedian with a desire to stay in the spotlight would go near it. I've noticed (not just here but various places) that some of the people who were outraged by people singing or joking about Ding-Dong The Witch Is Dead now seem to think it's ok to crack jokes about an event that killed millions, whilst chucking in an extra group of people for added effect.
The thing about Jimmy Carr is that his entire act is built on being as offensive as possible. I don't tend to find him funny but if some do, it doesn't bother me that much what he says. But like any 'ooh look at me I'm really crossing lines here' type of 'entertainer', sooner or later they will cross a line for a large number of people. They have to, because their entire celebrity status is built on trying to be more outrageous than the last time.
I don't personally think that we can give carte blanche to anybody to be as offensive as they want to be towards anybody, so ultimately (& the law does have things to say about this whether you agree with it or not) there has to be something like a consensus about where lines of taste & decency (societal, not political) get crossed.
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Post by foxtrot777 on Feb 7, 2022 11:13:02 GMT
I see Jimmy Carr is on tour all over the UK during Feb/March, I wonder if any shows will get cancelled. The venue's that don't cancel will no doubt be put under lot's of pressure and the one's with big car parks should expect a caravan invasion.
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Feb 7, 2022 11:27:21 GMT
Hes had it hasnt he? The extreme woke zealots are gunning for him and with them come all the people who need to be seen as supporting the extreme woke zealots... and thats includes all the main tv stations. They'll be too scared of the backlash if they employ him....another victory for censorship out of fear. None of them have the brains to understand what a joke is.. that it isn't an actual opinion... it isn't a statement of fact. It can be, as in this case, a statement that deliberately grates so much with the accepted opinion that the humour is in how 'wrong' the statement is. To them its just hate speech. Do these people really have such a low opinion of the peoples intelligence that they seriously think the audience is sat there thinking 'Hmmm, yeah,,Jimmy is right,, actually it was great that all those millions of gypsies were murdered in concentration camps' ? As Ben & Jerry have found out and the RNLI (even though the left wing media deny it), the vast majority of the public do not approve of WOKEness, nor cancel culture. A left leaning media makes WOKEness sound more popular than it is amongst the public as a whole. Commercially, Yorkshire Tea and many others have suffered from bowing to the gobby minority of lefties. |
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Post by captslapper on Feb 7, 2022 12:18:42 GMT
Hes had it hasnt he? The extreme woke zealots are gunning for him and with them come all the people who need to be seen as supporting the extreme woke zealots... and thats includes all the main tv stations. They'll be too scared of the backlash if they employ him....another victory for censorship out of fear. None of them have the brains to understand what a joke is.. that it isn't an actual opinion... it isn't a statement of fact. It can be, as in this case, a statement that deliberately grates so much with the accepted opinion that the humour is in how 'wrong' the statement is. To them its just hate speech. Do these people really have such a low opinion of the peoples intelligence that they seriously think the audience is sat there thinking 'Hmmm, yeah,,Jimmy is right,, actually it was great that all those millions of gypsies were murdered in concentration camps' ? Society has (& has to have) certain sensibilities & no-go areas in order to function effectively. Defining those though is like herding cats. The Holocaust has been, to all intents & purposes, a no-go area since 1945 & no comedian with a desire to stay in the spotlight would go near it. I've noticed (not just here but various places) that some of the people who were outraged by people singing or joking about Ding-Dong The Witch Is Dead now seem to think it's ok to crack jokes about an event that killed millions, whilst chucking in an extra group of people for added effect.
The thing about Jimmy Carr is that his entire act is built on being as offensive as possible. I don't tend to find him funny but if some do, it doesn't bother me that much what he says. But like any 'ooh look at me I'm really crossing lines here' type of 'entertainer', sooner or later they will cross a line for a large number of people. They have to, because their entire celebrity status is built on trying to be more outrageous than the last time.
I don't personally think that we can give carte blanche to anybody to be as offensive as they want to be towards anybody, so ultimately (& the law does have things to say about this whether you agree with it or not) there has to be something like a consensus about where lines of taste & decency (societal, not political) get crossed.
I agree, but to me when the line gets crossed then public opinion should be the judge and jury. Ergo not enough people are 'entertained' by that kind of humour so his place in the industry is downwardly effected by the demand to see his act. thats a bit different from what we get, which is people demanding he is 'cancelled' as way of a punishment. |
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Feb 7, 2022 12:27:59 GMT
The problem here is we have a fascist minority, dictating to and forcing the boundary of moral acceptability on the majority, based purely on their minority opinions.
That's pure fascism and it's no longer the remit of the right. Politics has gone full circle.
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Post by Deep Space on Feb 7, 2022 12:35:48 GMT
Society has (& has to have) certain sensibilities & no-go areas in order to function effectively. Defining those though is like herding cats. The Holocaust has been, to all intents & purposes, a no-go area since 1945 & no comedian with a desire to stay in the spotlight would go near it. I've noticed (not just here but various places) that some of the people who were outraged by people singing or joking about Ding-Dong The Witch Is Dead now seem to think it's ok to crack jokes about an event that killed millions, whilst chucking in an extra group of people for added effect.
The thing about Jimmy Carr is that his entire act is built on being as offensive as possible. I don't tend to find him funny but if some do, it doesn't bother me that much what he says. But like any 'ooh look at me I'm really crossing lines here' type of 'entertainer', sooner or later they will cross a line for a large number of people. They have to, because their entire celebrity status is built on trying to be more outrageous than the last time.
I don't personally think that we can give carte blanche to anybody to be as offensive as they want to be towards anybody, so ultimately (& the law does have things to say about this whether you agree with it or not) there has to be something like a consensus about where lines of taste & decency (societal, not political) get crossed.
I agree, but to me when the line gets crossed then public opinion should be the judge and jury. Ergo not enough people are 'entertained' by that kind of humour so his place in the industry is downwardly effected by the demand to see his act. thats a bit different from what we get, which is people demanding he is 'cancelled' as way of a punishment. Public opinion is important but it's part of a wider picture. As I've said many times, it's a bit like 2 wolves & a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. There still has to be some, appropriate, protection for those who might unreasonably fall foul of public opinion.
It's not well-known but after Jews, the race (as defined by the Nazis) that suffered most during the Holocausty was Roma & some associated traveller groups...universally referred to by Hitler as Gypsies. In 1933, Germany passed a law, known as 'A Law for the Prevention of Offspring with Hereditary Diseases', which expressly ruled that all Gypsies had to be sterilised. Over time, they were moved to special camps & ultimately concentration camps. It has been described as a 'hidden holocaust'. The Nazis had Final Solution documents for gypsies which closely mirrored that for Jews.
So, if were Roma I'd not be putting my faith in a show of hands to decide if it was reasonable to take the piss out of the (estimated) 1 million of my people who were murdered.
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Post by captslapper on Feb 7, 2022 13:12:36 GMT
I agree, but to me when the line gets crossed then public opinion should be the judge and jury. Ergo not enough people are 'entertained' by that kind of humour so his place in the industry is downwardly effected by the demand to see his act. thats a bit different from what we get, which is people demanding he is 'cancelled' as way of a punishment. Public opinion is important but it's part of a wider picture. As I've said many times, it's a bit like 2 wolves & a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. There still has to be some, appropriate, protection for those who might unreasonably fall foul of public opinion.
It's not well-known but after Jews, the race (as defined by the Nazis) that suffered most during the Holocausty was Roma & some associated traveller groups...universally referred to by Hitler as Gypsies. In 1933, Germany passed a law, known as 'A Law for the Prevention of Offspring with Hereditary Diseases', which expressly ruled that all Gypsies had to be sterilised. Over time, they were moved to special camps & ultimately concentration camps. It has been described as a 'hidden holocaust'. The Nazis had Final Solution documents for gypsies which closely mirrored that for Jews.
So, if were Roma I'd not be putting my faith in a show of hands to decide if it was reasonable to take the piss out of the (estimated) 1 million of my people who were murdered.
But he isn't taking the piss out of them. The 'joke' is in the outrageous comment..the fact you are saying something so blatantly offensive. Its the shock factor.. thats the joke. Its what Jimmy Carr does. Its his act, same as Frankie Boyle, so anyone who chooses to watch a Jimmy Carr or Boyle gig must know that it will involve a lot of that type of humour. If youre going to be offended by it, then you'd be a fool to watch Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle. Thats the protection on offer.. you have a choice not to watch them. We used to have laws based on blasphemy.. where a person could find themselves in all kinds trouble ( literally burned at the stake ) for saying things that were deemed 'offensive' and outrageous. We seem to be heading back to a similar level of intolerance. |
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