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Post by realmadkid on Jan 1, 2022 12:59:12 GMT
This you tube clip looks like it's been cancelled? It happens a lot. Satire and 'having a pop at people' is fine, but canceling people and alternative opinions is another thing entirely. I'm not sure why some still can't see the difference. It's like the JK Rowling scenario. People might not agree with her, and might want to ridicule her, but banishing her from social media platforms, removing her from the Grauniad birthday list, and disinviting her from the Harry Potter reunion is petty in the extreme. I posted a podcast on YouTube, Tuesday morning. It had gone within 20 minutes! It wasn't even that extreme. Pretty mild for me tbh. But they claim it 'violated community guidelines.' Or in other words it went totally against the prevailing agenda. Freedom of speech is in grave danger. |
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Post by captslapper on Jan 1, 2022 13:09:06 GMT
This you tube clip looks like it's been cancelled? It happens a lot. Satire and 'having a pop at people' is fine, but canceling people and alternative opinions is another thing entirely. I'm not sure why some still can't see the difference. It's like the JK Rowling scenario. People might not agree with her, and might want to ridicule her, but banishing her from social media platforms, removing her from the Grauniad birthday list, and disinviting her from the Harry Potter reunion is petty in the extreme. Id be surprised if 95% of the people in this country didnt agree with Rowling. Its seems to be a tiny minority of people with their screwed up opinions who are calling the shots these days and have the 'power'. The Rowling case shows how sinister the situation is now. The gutless child actors, made multi millionaires on the back of her work, unwilling to show her any loyalty even though they probably agree with the point she made ( it being an obvious fact and all ) but knowing that if they did, they too would be in the cross hairs of the fascist woke extremists. So they throw her to the lions and fall over themselves to distance themselves from her. Its an appalling state of affairs. Like some medieval religious inquisition with a genuine and real fear of falling foul of the zealots. |
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Post by londontown on Jan 1, 2022 13:42:33 GMT
It happens a lot. Satire and 'having a pop at people' is fine, but canceling people and alternative opinions is another thing entirely. I'm not sure why some still can't see the difference. It's like the JK Rowling scenario. People might not agree with her, and might want to ridicule her, but banishing her from social media platforms, removing her from the Grauniad birthday list, and disinviting her from the Harry Potter reunion is petty in the extreme. Id be surprised if 95% of the people in this country didnt agree with Rowling. Its seems to be a tiny minority of people with their screwed up opinions who are calling the shots these days and have the 'power'. The Rowling case shows how sinister the situation is now. The gutless child actors, made multi millionaires on the back of her work, unwilling to show her any loyalty even though they probably agree with the point she made ( it being an obvious fact and all ) but knowing that if they did, they too would be in the cross hairs of the fascist woke extremists. So they throw her to the lions and fall over themselves to distance themselves from her. Its an appalling state of affairs. Like some medieval religious inquisition with a genuine and real fear of falling foul of the zealots. Yes, they probably agree with her, like many others, but you are right about them being afraid to speak out. They too could be sidelined by the hysterical mob, and yet cancel culture isn't a problem according to some. |
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Post by tinpot on Jan 3, 2022 10:03:01 GMT
It happens a lot. Satire and 'having a pop at people' is fine, but canceling people and alternative opinions is another thing entirely. I'm not sure why some still can't see the difference. It's like the JK Rowling scenario. People might not agree with her, and might want to ridicule her, but banishing her from social media platforms, removing her from the Grauniad birthday list, and disinviting her from the Harry Potter reunion is petty in the extreme. I posted a podcast on YouTube, Tuesday morning. It had gone within 20 minutes! It wasn't even that extreme. Pretty mild for me tbh. But they claim it 'violated community guidelines.' Or in other words it went totally against the prevailing agenda. Freedom of speech is in grave danger. If you still have it on file, you could try posting it again on one of these: www.sodapdf.com/blog/best-youtube-alternatives/Without watching your video I've no idea whether I agree that it was a justified ban or not. It may be that there are certain algorithms that mean content is removed automatically if you use certain trigger words. |
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Post by tinpot on Jan 3, 2022 10:27:01 GMT
Do tell me all about these TV shows cancelled for being too left wing? I’m fascinated now as my version of reality is way different. All of the things I mentioned are being restricted more and more, as each day passes. Well, they are in the reality I exist in. Depends how you define "left wing". Would you define an anti-racism comedy as being left wing, for example? |
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 3, 2022 11:12:56 GMT
Depends how you define "left wing". Would you define an anti-racism comedy as being left wing, for example? Anti-racist comedy? Ah, you mean black comedians having a pop at white people? I can't think what could be funny about anti-racism, but then the left have destroyed comedy, as people with your political stance decide to take offence on behalf of others. |
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Post by realmadkid on Jan 3, 2022 13:38:45 GMT
I posted a podcast on YouTube, Tuesday morning. It had gone within 20 minutes! It wasn't even that extreme. Pretty mild for me tbh. But they claim it 'violated community guidelines.' Or in other words it went totally against the prevailing agenda. Freedom of speech is in grave danger. If you still have it on file, you could try posting it again on one of these: www.sodapdf.com/blog/best-youtube-alternatives/Without watching your video I've no idea whether I agree that it was a justified ban or not. It may be that there are certain algorithms that mean content is removed automatically if you use certain trigger words. Thanks mate. Its on Bitchute now! 👍 |
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Post by tinpot on Jan 3, 2022 14:33:03 GMT
If you still have it on file, you could try posting it again on one of these: www.sodapdf.com/blog/best-youtube-alternatives/Without watching your video I've no idea whether I agree that it was a justified ban or not. It may be that there are certain algorithms that mean content is removed automatically if you use certain trigger words. Thanks mate. Its on Bitchute now! 👍 Got a link? |
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Post by tinpot on Jan 3, 2022 14:35:43 GMT
Depends how you define "left wing". Would you define an anti-racism comedy as being left wing, for example? Anti-racist comedy? Ah, you mean black comedians having a pop at white people? I can't think what could be funny about anti-racism, but then the left have destroyed comedy, as people with your political stance decide to take offence on behalf of others. Humour is subjective. What one person finds funny, another finds dull. What one person finds offensive might have another splitting their sides. What I was asking was how you'd define left wing. You didn't answer. So, without any definition to agree on you can strut about & claim victory. Honestly, discussing anything with you is like trying to play chess with a pigeon. |
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Post by londontown on Jan 4, 2022 16:26:39 GMT
Anti-racist comedy? Ah, you mean black comedians having a pop at white people? I can't think what could be funny about anti-racism, but then the left have destroyed comedy, as people with your political stance decide to take offence on behalf of others. Humour is subjective. What one person finds funny, another finds dull. What one person finds offensive might have another splitting their sides. What I was asking was how you'd define left wing. You didn't answer. So, without any definition to agree on you can strut about & claim victory. Honestly, discussing anything with you is like trying to play chess with a pigeon. Stuart Lee is a left wing comedian. He was even described as nauseatingly PC by the London Evening Standard. His Islamic sketch consists of ignoring someone who pointed at a woman in a burka. His Christian sketch goes on for about 10 minutes, with the finale consisting of him vomiting into the mouth of Jesus. Much of his comedy focuses on Tories, Brexit Voters, Christians, and others he perceives to be far right, which is basically anyone who isn't a Marxist. I like his work, but you have to understand the context. He even thinks the BBC are Tory media, which I think is hilarious, but not necessarily in the way he intended. |
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Post by tinpot on Jan 4, 2022 23:33:15 GMT
Humour is subjective. What one person finds funny, another finds dull. What one person finds offensive might have another splitting their sides. What I was asking was how you'd define left wing. You didn't answer. So, without any definition to agree on you can strut about & claim victory. Honestly, discussing anything with you is like trying to play chess with a pigeon. Stuart Lee is a left wing comedian. He was even described as nauseatingly PC by the London Evening Standard. His Islamic sketch consists of ignoring someone who pointed at a woman in a burka. His Christian sketch goes on for about 10 minutes, with the finale consisting of him vomiting into the mouth of Jesus. Much of his comedy focuses on Tories, Brexit Voters, Christians, and others he perceives to be far right, which is basically anyone who isn't a Marxist. I like his work, but you have to understand the context. He even thinks the BBC are Tory media, which I think is hilarious, but not necessarily in the way he intended. What I was looking for was not an example but a definition. If there was a completely new, previously unknown comedian/sitcom/etc. that you were seeing for the first time - what would they have to do to make you say "This is left wing comedy"? Or conversely, "This is right wing comedy"? Without an answer to what makes something left or right wing, the question of "which comedies were cancelled for being too left wing?" is meaningless. |
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Post by londontown on Jan 5, 2022 11:49:16 GMT
Stuart Lee is a left wing comedian. He was even described as nauseatingly PC by the London Evening Standard. His Islamic sketch consists of ignoring someone who pointed at a woman in a burka. His Christian sketch goes on for about 10 minutes, with the finale consisting of him vomiting into the mouth of Jesus. Much of his comedy focuses on Tories, Brexit Voters, Christians, and others he perceives to be far right, which is basically anyone who isn't a Marxist. I like his work, but you have to understand the context. He even thinks the BBC are Tory media, which I think is hilarious, but not necessarily in the way he intended. What I was looking for was not an example but a definition. If there was a completely new, previously unknown comedian/sitcom/etc. that you were seeing for the first time - what would they have to do to make you say "This is left wing comedy"? Or conversely, "This is right wing comedy"? Without an answer to what makes something left or right wing, the question of "which comedies were cancelled for being too left wing?" is meaningless. Comedy used to be uninhibited for the most part, never really falling into the left/right paradigm, although it has probably always been more fashionable to have a pop at the Tories. I think it is perfectly reasonable to describe woke comedy as left wing, for obvious reasons. Many of the woke pride themselves on being of the left, and many on the left pride themselves on being woke. You won't see them attacking immigration, Islam, minorities, remainers, or LGTBQ. Stuart Lee being a case in point. You will, however, see them attacking critics of any of the above. Grim over at DATM described Geoff Norcott as right wing, presumably on the basis that he will challenge some of the sacred issues mentioned. Pat Condell is another 'right wing' comedian. |
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Post by Deep Space on Jan 5, 2022 14:46:50 GMT
The first comedian I ever really remember being what I'd call overtly political was probably Ben Elton. Most others were just generally taking the mick out of whatever targets were available. That might have been the Irish, as it frequently was, other ethnic groups, but also political leaders & so on. Comedy works well when it's 'small p' political; the likes of the Two Ronnies thrived on taking the mick out of the leading politicians of the day regardless of party; Monty Python & others were good at finding humour all over the place. They were as effective at mocking the class system as they were ultra-left groups.
What a really clever comedian should be able to do is find the humour in a situation, often based on the daft rules & hypocrisies we all probably live by, rather than cheap gags based on stereotyping anybody.
I remember my take on this changed a bit after someone analysed a joke...I think it was Jim Davidson, but it was a 'right-wing' comedian at a Police event. When you broke it down, he was basically having them rolling in the aisles by suggesting they were thugs who would kick the crap out of anyone they didn't like, particularly if they were black. I suppose the difference for me is that a good one can hit truths through humour, naff ones just look for cheap attention.
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 5, 2022 15:01:55 GMT
This is the best our National broadcaster can muster for comedy nowadays. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/categories/comedy/featuredMiranda, Citizen Khan and some Irish cross dresser. Really? I remember when the BBC had countless comedy shows of decent quality. Now, looking at their schedule just reminds me why I gave up on live TV and binned my licence. (at the 5th attempt, after Al Beeb refused to take no for an answer). |
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Post by captslapper on Jan 5, 2022 17:07:28 GMT
Dont forget that riot of hilarity... the Vicar of Dibley!
Pretty sure they even knelt for BLM in their xmas special last year, which was somewhat ironic with it being just about the only show on the BBC that doesnt have a single black character in it.
( shame it isn't a period drama set in pre war rural England,, then half the cast could be black!)
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