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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 28, 2022 22:53:32 GMT
OK.
So we’re being told things are normal.
I’m not convinced. Way too many tragic incidents now in the crowd or amongst players in football, let alone my social circle.
Should we start counting, or do we keep pretending we’re just noticing them more?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 0:46:36 GMT
Anyone know how the fella in the South Stand got on?
It seemed an absolute age before stewards / police / anyone official at all reacted to what was a clear and obvious call for assistance…pretty much everyone in the crowd could tell what was happening, was really odd seeing people with radios and hi viz etc just seeming oblivious.
And then compounded by watching the guys with the defibrillator just slowly walking and wandering as though they didn’t know where they were going. Aren’t there rehearsed procedures for this sort of thing ??
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 29, 2022 17:04:56 GMT
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 29, 2022 17:14:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 17:46:49 GMT
Plus in the car park after the previous home game as well :/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 17:50:30 GMT
I guess if you don't want to get all conspirational and antivax about it - we've just come off the back of 2 years where for no particular good reason, the health service basically decided to shut down. Its no real wonder that people are keeling over. www.datawrapper.de/_/ek9Jk/www.datawrapper.de/_/JRygQ/ |
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Post by foxtrot777 on Jan 30, 2022 10:44:21 GMT
I guess if you don't want to get all conspirational and antivax about it - we've just come off the back of 2 years where for no particular good reason, the health service basically decided to shut down. Its no real wonder that people are keeling over. www.datawrapper.de/_/ek9Jk/www.datawrapper.de/_/JRygQ/That's a good point, I suspect the health of the nation is as poor as it's been for a long, long time and will take years and massive investment to turn things around. |
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 30, 2022 11:10:56 GMT
I guess if you don't want to get all conspirational and antivax about it - we've just come off the back of 2 years where for no particular good reason, t he health service basically decided to shut down. Its no real wonder that people are keeling over. www.datawrapper.de/_/ek9Jk/www.datawrapper.de/_/JRygQ/Which wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to sudden, unexpected heart attacks. The poor lad who died of a heart attack at Fulham yesterday was 22 years old. |
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Post by El Mel on Jan 30, 2022 11:43:21 GMT
Another one at Oldham yesterday - Sean Jarvis was applauding the reaction of the fans and medics - he must have witnessed it by the looks of it.
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 30, 2022 11:53:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2022 12:38:34 GMT
I guess if you don't want to get all conspirational and antivax about it - we've just come off the back of 2 years where for no particular good reason, t he health service basically decided to shut down. Its no real wonder that people are keeling over. www.datawrapper.de/_/ek9Jk/www.datawrapper.de/_/JRygQ/Which wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to sudden, unexpected heart attacks. The poor lad who died of a heart attack at Fulham yesterday was 22 years old. Yes it could make a difference. My lad had potential heart issues (he’d had two or three sudden collapses as a 16 and 17year old that were put down to low blood pressure), and was in and out for scans and measurements every month over an 18month period…that stopped in March 2020. One of his mates same age died with a known (from early age) heart condition in late 2020, before vaccines were around…his treatment and monitoring had STOPPED. As would spending more time at home drinking increased amount of alcohol and having a vastly reduced number of active minutes, as has been the case with most of the UK over the last two years. |
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 30, 2022 12:57:54 GMT
Yes it could make a difference. My lad had potential heart issues (he’d had two or three sudden collapses as a 16 and 17year old that were put down to low blood pressure), and was in and out for scans and measurements every month over an 18month period…that stopped in March 2020. One of his mates same age died with a known (from early age) heart condition in late 2020, before vaccines were around…his treatment and monitoring had STOPPED. As would spending more time at home drinking increased amount of alcohol and having a vastly reduced number of active minutes, as has been the case with most of the UK over the last two years. These were "sudden" and "unexpected" heart attacks, not due to people already being monitored, scanned and measured every month. As for "it was lockdown".... we've been out of any kind of lockdown for 7 months, with nothing stopping people going outdoors for much longer. These sudden unexpected heart attack seem to have spiralled out of control since the mass vaccine roll out. Of course, when it becomes too obvious to sweep under the carpet, the establishment will need excuses like these. The best I've seen yet, is that Covid causes it and as the vaccines can mean you don't even know if you've had it, that's the cause..  |
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Post by wqtry2 on Jan 30, 2022 14:48:20 GMT
It is rather concerning. Shortly after eriksen had a heart attack my friend witnessed someone having cardiac arrest on the road when driving into town.
And was near it all happening in the south stand.
It is bizarre that it wasnt reported in the news at the town ground.
It could be a multitude of things though as quintus has stated.
I personally had chest pains after the second dose, but again it could be anything.
For me astra zeneca were knocked by the media becauase they sold a vaccine at cost, they never made a profit from it until recently. But people with money and power wanted to shun them and thats exactly what happened.
Guess im a conspiracy theorist though
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2022 15:55:43 GMT
OK. So we’re being told things are normal. I’m not convinced. Way too many tragic incidents now in the crowd or amongst players in football, let alone my social circle. Should we start counting, or do we keep pretending we’re just noticing them more? But things are not 'normal', are they. Side effects from vaccines, drugs, etc. are pretty common, but typically affect only a small minority of those who take them. Clearly, when you are doling out hundreds of millions of doses (worldwide) over a relatively short period of time, that 'small minority' is going to add up to quite a lot of people. My understanding is that the typical sufferer of a heart-related issue post-vaccination is young and male.....the vast majority (with no previous heart problems) only suffer mild symptoms. The disease itself can also cause severe heart-related problems. No doubt the higher stress levels the pandemic has caused many people won't be conducive to good heart health....I have read that heart problems were on the rise between the pandemic being declared and the vaccination programme taking off. True? |
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Post by captslapper on Jan 30, 2022 15:56:13 GMT
People have always had unexpected heart attacks.
2 lads Ive know since school had heart attacks in their late 30s when neither had underlying health issues. One died the other survived.
When I was 15 a lad on the other side in a Sunday league game collapsed and died the next day. They hadn't been aware of anything wrong with him either.
People have always collapsed at football matches too.
Seeing St Johns ambulance people or medics attending to someone in or outside the stadium wasn't that rare and posts on DATM asking if anyone knows if they were alright were pretty common from those that had witnessed it.
It never seemed to make the news though like they all seem to now and I can't ever remember a game being suspended whilst one was happening. That seems to have come in after the Erikson case.
But now its because of vaccines according to the people who try and convince everyone how clever they are for not having a vaccine and how stupid and gullible everyone else is?
Maybe there is a link and the vaccine is causing a problem in a minute amount of people?
Maybe there isn't and its in people's imagination because its what they want to think...but when the same people insist the vaccine doesnt offer any protection at all and indeed makes you MORE likely to catch covid, its hard to take what they say seriously IMO.
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