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Post by wqtry2 on Jan 30, 2022 16:02:33 GMT
People have always had unexpected heart attacks. 2 lads Ive know since school had heart attacks in their late 30s when neither had underlying health issues. One died the other survived. When I was 15 a lad on the other side in a Sunday league game collapsed and died the next day. They hadn't been aware of anything wrong with him either. People have always collapsed at football matches too. Seeing St Johns ambulance people or medics attending to someone in or outside the stadium wasn't that rare and posts on DATM asking if anyone knows if they were alright were pretty common from those that had witnessed it. It never seemed to make the news though like they all seem to now and I can't ever remember a game being suspended whilst one was happening. That seems to have come in after the Erikson case. But now its because of vaccines according to the people who try and convince everyone how clever they are for not having a vaccine and how stupid and gullible everyone else is? Maybe there is a link and the vaccine is causing a problem in a minute amount of people? Maybe there isn't and its in people's imagination because its what they want to think...but when the same people insist the vaccine doesnt offer any protection at all and indeed makes you MORE likely to catch covid, its hard to take what they say seriously IMO. Aye you could be right. Maybe it was not put in the media as much beforehand. When you get thousands of people congregating the chances of something like that increases massively. |
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 30, 2022 16:48:59 GMT
But things are not 'normal', are they. Side effects from vaccines, drugs, etc. are pretty common, but typically affect only a small minority of those who take them. Clearly, when you are doling out hundreds of millions of doses (worldwide) over a relatively short period of time, that 'small minority' is going to add up to quite a lot of people. My understanding is that the typical sufferer of a heart-related issue post-vaccination is young and male.....the vast majority (with no previous heart problems) only suffer mild symptoms. The disease itself can also cause severe heart-related problems. Correct. Now if the 17,000 over 2 years dying from Covid with no other underlying conditions is correct, as in the recent FOI, then of these 17,000, only around 1% normally are under the age of 30 (Page 45 from the link below), then that's 170 over 2 years dying of all causes WITHIN 28 days of a positive test. Why are we vaccinating people who only make up 1% of Covid deaths, when they stand the highest risk of dying from the cure? assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1050721/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-4.pdfNo doubt the higher stress levels the pandemic has caused many people won't be conducive to good heart health....I have read that heart problems were on the rise between the pandemic being declared and the vaccination programme taking off. True? I'm not sure it was much more stressful for the younger, who are at such low risk from it. More depressing and boring. It's the older generations who have been terrified by Project Fear. Have you noticed how the heart attack figures, which used to be easy to find on Google, are now almost impossible? I posted a link earlier, of many recent FOI requests trying to find out just how many sudden heart attacks are going on. The ONS fobbed off every single one without answering, claiming they didn't have the data. This is bullsh1t, as they compile the causes of death reports monthly. At the end of the day, we all know the establishment can not and will not ever admit the vaccine caused a problem. We have to use our own judgement about how common this is becoming. I firmly believe the issue is increasing by many times and the regularity now, with 3 matches yesterday, Town on Friday, Jamie Vincent the week before, the poor chap at Town in the car park the other week, a fan I know, 3 people in my local. I also think this problem is accelerating. |
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 30, 2022 16:51:43 GMT
People have always had unexpected heart attacks. 2 lads Ive know since school had heart attacks in their late 30s when neither had underlying health issues. One died the other survived. When I was 15 a lad on the other side in a Sunday league game collapsed and died the next day. They hadn't been aware of anything wrong with him either. People have always collapsed at football matches too. Seeing St Johns ambulance people or medics attending to someone in or outside the stadium wasn't that rare and posts on DATM asking if anyone knows if they were alright were pretty common from those that had witnessed it. It never seemed to make the news though like they all seem to now and I can't ever remember a game being suspended whilst one was happening. That seems to have come in after the Erikson case. But now its because of vaccines according to the people who try and convince everyone how clever they are for not having a vaccine and how stupid and gullible everyone else is? Maybe there is a link and the vaccine is causing a problem in a minute amount of people? Maybe there isn't and its in people's imagination because its what they want to think...but when the same people insist the vaccine doesnt offer any protection at all and indeed makes you MORE likely to catch covid, its hard to take what they say seriously IMO. Like I said, it will never be admitted, so it's up to the individual to decide for themselves. I wouldn't expect a fanatical clot shot addict and No1 vaccine fan to accept what's going on right under their noses at this current level. How many cases would be needed before even you can no longer deny it though? |
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 30, 2022 16:58:51 GMT
It's never been this high up the charts before last year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2022 17:36:25 GMT
People have always had unexpected heart attacks. 2 lads Ive know since school had heart attacks in their late 30s when neither had underlying health issues. One died the other survived. When I was 15 a lad on the other side in a Sunday league game collapsed and died the next day. They hadn't been aware of anything wrong with him either. People have always collapsed at football matches too. Seeing St Johns ambulance people or medics attending to someone in or outside the stadium wasn't that rare and posts on DATM asking if anyone knows if they were alright were pretty common from those that had witnessed it. It never seemed to make the news though like they all seem to now and I can't ever remember a game being suspended whilst one was happening. That seems to have come in after the Erikson case. But now its because of vaccines according to the people who try and convince everyone how clever they are for not having a vaccine and how stupid and gullible everyone else is? Maybe there is a link and the vaccine is causing a problem in a minute amount of people? Maybe there isn't and its in people's imagination because its what they want to think...but when the same people insist the vaccine doesnt offer any protection at all and indeed makes you MORE likely to catch covid, its hard to take what they say seriously IMO. Like I said, it will never be admitted, so it's up to the individual to decide for themselves. I wouldn't expect a fanatical clot shot addict and No1 vaccine fan to accept what's going on right under their noses at this current level. How many cases would be needed before even you can no longer deny it though? The problem is you're using simplistic generalisations to make a judgement on specific instances, where that is impossible to do without full and complete access to the persons medical history. A sudden unexpected heart attack does NOT mean that it was an individual who had a clean bill of health with no known or unknown issues. Of course, the likelihood with 50million people being injected that there will be a few issues, but we *can't* say thats the cause of the specific instances that we see and hear about. We don't even know if the one at the Town match was a heart attack, people can collapse for all sorts of other reasons. Note in the case of Jamie Vincent, its not confirmed he died of a heart attack. |
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 30, 2022 19:01:46 GMT
Like I said, it can’t ever be admitted, so it’s up to each individual’s experience to spot the increase.
Everyone has a tipping point, where they can no longer accept the number as normal. I’m over mine already.
More and more are waking up to it. some aren’t yet.
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Post by enoch on Jan 30, 2022 21:57:26 GMT
Clearly is on the rise. That's not even worth disputing. Why? Well it maybe because of lockdown and people's habits changing but personally I saw lockdown as a more positive change to people's lifestyles. Even the extreme pro vaccine folk I know are starting to ask questions. Not in our lifetimes though will they ever admit it. In 100 years the then government might accept wrong was done.
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Post by easylover on Jan 30, 2022 22:16:51 GMT
No genuine Town supporter would use the tragic death of a former player to try to push an anti-vaxx agenda, based on nothing but speculation and unsubstantiated theories that hinge on "information" from some dubious, scarcely-credible sources - and a whole load of supposition.
For shame.
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 30, 2022 22:32:59 GMT
No genuine Town supporter would use the tragic death of a former player to try to push an anti-vaxx agenda, based on nothing but speculation and unsubstantiated theories that hinge on "information" from some dubious, scarcely-credible sources - and a whole load of supposition. For shame. Nobody would use shite stats to justify jabbing the whole world against something that doesn’t affect the vast majority?  Oh dear. Yes they would. |
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Post by easylover on Jan 30, 2022 23:04:56 GMT
No genuine Town supporter would use the tragic death of a former player to try to push an anti-vaxx agenda, based on nothing but speculation and unsubstantiated theories that hinge on "information" from some dubious, scarcely-credible sources - and a whole load of supposition. For shame. Nobody would use shite stats to justify jabbing the whole world against something that doesn’t affect the vast majority?  Oh dear. Yes they would. Weird, irrelevant comment. "Shite stats"? Stats are stats, think you mean interpretation of stats - and by the sounds of it, it's your interpretation that's been left wanting. "Doesn't affect the vast majority"? It does, just to a greater or lesser degree. But sure, if you're one of the lucky ones - then fuck everyone else, eh? Let the bodies pile up, what ho. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 31, 2022 8:08:26 GMT
Nobody would use shite stats to justify jabbing the whole world against something that doesn’t affect the vast majority? Oh dear. Yes they would. Weird, irrelevant comment. "Shite stats"? Stats are stats, think you mean interpretation of stats - and by the sounds of it, it's your interpretation that's been left wanting. "Doesn't affect the vast majority"? It does, just to a greater or lesser degree. But sure, if you're one of the lucky ones - then fuck everyone else, eh? Let the bodies pile up, what ho. 😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by niggled on Jan 31, 2022 8:52:41 GMT
Nobody would use shite stats to justify jabbing the whole world against something that doesn’t affect the vast majority? Oh dear. Yes they would. Weird, irrelevant comment. "Shite stats"? Stats are stats, think you mean interpretation of stats - and by the sounds of it, it's your interpretation that's been left wanting. "Doesn't affect the vast majority"? It does, just to a greater or lesser degree. But sure, if you're one of the lucky ones - then fuck everyone else, eh? Let the bodies pile up, what ho. Let the bodies pile up ?, Like they have in asia, and Africa and South America. Where the poor haven't even been jabbed. It's bullshit. |
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 31, 2022 9:00:14 GMT
Isn't it funny how the third world was barely touched by "CoViD" and the virus created apparent Armageddon in rich countries who could line large pharmaceutical's pockets with hundreds of billions of $$$.
I'm amazed people are still feeding the EasyTedder troll.
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Post by captslapper on Jan 31, 2022 9:31:12 GMT
People have always had unexpected heart attacks. 2 lads Ive know since school had heart attacks in their late 30s when neither had underlying health issues. One died the other survived. When I was 15 a lad on the other side in a Sunday league game collapsed and died the next day. They hadn't been aware of anything wrong with him either. People have always collapsed at football matches too. Seeing St Johns ambulance people or medics attending to someone in or outside the stadium wasn't that rare and posts on DATM asking if anyone knows if they were alright were pretty common from those that had witnessed it. It never seemed to make the news though like they all seem to now and I can't ever remember a game being suspended whilst one was happening. That seems to have come in after the Erikson case. But now its because of vaccines according to the people who try and convince everyone how clever they are for not having a vaccine and how stupid and gullible everyone else is? Maybe there is a link and the vaccine is causing a problem in a minute amount of people? Maybe there isn't and its in people's imagination because its what they want to think...but when the same people insist the vaccine doesnt offer any protection at all and indeed makes you MORE likely to catch covid, its hard to take what they say seriously IMO. Like I said, it will never be admitted, so it's up to the individual to decide for themselves. I wouldn't expect a fanatical clot shot addict and No1 vaccine fan to accept what's going on right under their noses at this current level. How many cases would be needed before even you can no longer deny it though? I didnt deny it. I said- 'Maybe there is a link and the vaccine is causing a problem in a minute amount of people? ' I just take it with a bit of a pinch of salt when its come from the same people who have made such ridiculously false claims about these vaccines in the past, such as they offer zero protection and make you MORE likely to catch covid. Thats the problem with making ridiculous claims.. even if you potentially have a justified one, people tend to dismiss it as more of the same. |
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Post by captslapper on Jan 31, 2022 9:37:26 GMT
Isn't it funny how the third world was barely touched by "CoViD" and the virus created apparent Armageddon in rich countries who could line large pharmaceutical's pockets with hundreds of billions of $$$. I'm amazed people are still feeding the EasyTedder troll. Yeah its crazy how countries with much much younger populations have been less effected by a virus that almost exclusively effects old people. Or how populations that spend a lot more time outside arent as effected by a virus that spreads far more easily inside. Its almost as mad as how rich countries who can afford to do an enormous amount of testing have found way more cases too. |
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Oh dear. Yes they would. 
Oh dear. Yes they would. 