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Post by sensibleidiot on Mar 11, 2022 12:37:49 GMT
Just to add….
… street dealers, county lines, organised crime groups , cannabis farms, human trafficking, money laundering, firearms offences, domestic violence, sexual abuse and assaults…. Each and every one taken seriously and doggedly pursued.
You would be amazed at the dedication and professionalism shown by WYP coppers and staff… and NCA officers and staff in their efforts to make a difference.
Do you get a dozen cops round your gaff if someone throws an egg at your window? No…
When your lawnmower is nicked from your shed? No…
When you complain that Billy at number 20 drives with his music too loud past your house? No….
When your neighbour parks outside your house? No….
So why do you think they will give a shit about anyone going about their legitimate day to day business?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 13:02:46 GMT
As has been pointed out, if that number is more than zero then facial recognition is potentially a benefit and stopping some crime. So, what you're saying is, you're OK with the establishment concentrating on following you around, as a law abiding citizen, watching your every move, than putting that effort into looking for criminals here illegally. The illegal criminals who get a free pass from the government's latest brainfart to increase security. I take it you realise this will be used to justify removing even more real policing from the streets? As a law abiding, tax paying, legal resident of the UK, it seems a bizarre view to me, but hey, ho. Each to their own. No, thats not what I'm saying. It's not an either/or, this is obviously an adjunct to other measures. It would be madness to not use it and see what results it can deliver - hopefully will be pushed out wider into more of our cities in future years. I take it you realise that the fastest growing terrorist threats in the UK comes from far right groups with white-supremacist / islamaphobic ideologies, with radicalised members typically being British born white males, who would be 'in the system'. The man who murdered Jo Cox had existing links to extremist groups (he'd been radicalised going down a rabbit warren of blinkered opinion from the internet, and thought that MSM were the cause of the worlds problems - sound familiar?). Imagine if someone like him was on a watch-list (no idea if he was or not) that would see them flagged by tech such as facial recognition - and imagine if someone like him was about to go out and commit a similar crime in an area where he would be flagged. They probably wouldn't be apprehended, as being on a watch-list does not necessarily mean that you've committed arrestable provable offences - but the awareness would increase the likelihood of targets being moved/protected. You're saying you want to discourage the technology which potentially saves the lives of innocent people like Jo Cox, along with other law abiding, tax paying legal residents of the UK 🤷♂️ |
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Post by clappyhapper on Mar 11, 2022 13:56:36 GMT
I take it you realise that the fastest growing terrorist threats in the UK comes from far right groups with white-supremacist / islamaphobic ideologies, with radicalised members typically being British born white males, who would be 'in the system'. Oh Jesus Christ! Not another one!  Another who's fallen for the establishment propaganda, designed to divert attention away from the real culture which GENUINELY poses the most threat to the UK and has caused by far the most deaths in recent decades. The culture arriving illegally by the tens of thousands, with no identity, most of whom are fighting age males. It's a running joke all over Twitter, blaming Right Wing Terrorists, every time another Muslim goes all stabby on the streets. Did it not dawn on you that Islam, by it's very nature of sexism, homophobia, intolerance and anti-Semitism, might actually come under this as a right wing ideology? Go on, other than Cox and that Welsh nutter who drove a van at a crowd leaving Mosque, name any other terrorist attacks in the UK since the Irish got bored of blowing us up, which WERE NOT entirely down to Allan's Snackbar. In the UK over recent years, hundreds of people have been killed in the name of Islam in the UK and thousands injured, some life changing. Do you have short memory, or are you fresh out of leftie school, where only selective and blatant lies are taught in History? Even the authorities try to dress up most of the attacks carried out recently by Islamic Extremists as "Lone Wolf Mentally Unstable, Definitely Nothing to do with Islam". Almost every recent stabby terrorist is a failed Muslim asylum seeker. Reading, London Bridge and on. Here, take your pick. Here's a pasted list of Islamic groups who have been linked to UK terror attacks in recent years. Abdallah Azzam Brigades, including the Ziyad al Jarrah Battalions (AAB) Abu Nidal Organisation Abu Sayyaf Aden-Abyan Islamic Army Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya Al Ghurabaa Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya Al Murabitun Al Qaeda Al-Shabaab Ansar al-Islam Ansar Al Sharia Tunisia Ansaru Ansar Bayt al Maqdis Ansarul Muslimina Fi Biladis Sudan (Vanguard for the protection of Muslims in Black Africa) Armed Islamic Group also known as GIA Asbat al-Ansar Egyptian Islamic Jihad Hamas Harakat al-Shabaab al-Mujahideen Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami Harkat-ul-Mujahideen Harkat-ul-Ansar Hezbollah Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin Imarat Kavkaz (IK) (also known as the Caucasus Emirate) Indian Mujahideen Islamic Jihad Union Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant Jaish-e-Mohammed Jamaat Ansar al-Sunna (formerly Jaish Ansar al-Sunna) Jamaat Ul-Furquan Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Jemaah Islamiyah Jundallah Kateeba al Kawthar Khuddam ul-Islam Lashkar-e-Jhangvi Lashkar-e-Toiba Libyan Islamic Fighting Group Minbar Ansar Deen Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group Palestinian Islamic Jihad People's Mujahedin of Iran Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat The Saved Sect Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (also known as Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat) Tehrik Nefaz-e Shari'at Muhammadi Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan You'll be telling us next, that the largest group currently forming child sex grooming gangs in the UK are Jimmy Saville and the 1970's Catholic Church. Unbelievable naivety. Since when did the bulk of seemingly normal people start believing any old propaganda nonsense fed to them by the establishment? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 14:06:55 GMT
Crimes of terror are committed in the UK by white supremacists/islamaphobes/neo-nazi's on a daily basis.
But I guess your agenda is clear - no further comment from me.
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Post by captslapper on Mar 11, 2022 14:50:42 GMT
Crimes of terror are committed in the UK by white supremacists/islamaphobes/neo-nazi's on a daily basis. But I guess your agenda is clear - no further comment from me. Can you expand on that? What do you mean by crimes of terror? In terms of terrorist attacks, as people think of them, then Id be amazed if the threat from islamists isn't by far and away the largest type. Going back to the facial recognition, then whatever group of threat someone might be in, then the principle is the same. If its an unknown person then it wont make any difference. But those that are... and there are many... it just might. |
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Post by clappyhapper on Mar 11, 2022 14:59:32 GMT
Crimes of terror are committed in the UK by white supremacists/islamaphobes/neo-nazi's on a daily basis. But I guess your agenda is clear - no further comment from me. Name them then... Cox, the Welsh nutter and..... Oh yes, the Nazi scatter cushion and pasty cutter cell.  www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-46564539Seriously? This is the horror MI5 are telling us is the largest threat. Oh, the horror, the fear and violence of scatter cushions. You were supporting the Neo Nazi's against the Russians in another thread. Make your mind up. |
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Post by clappyhapper on Mar 11, 2022 15:04:14 GMT
Can you expand on that? What do you mean by crimes of terror? In terms of terrorist attacks, as people think of them, then Id be amazed if the threat from islamists isn't by far and away the largest type. Going back to the facial recognition, then whatever group of threat someone might be in, then the principle is the same.If its an unknown person then it wont make any difference. But those that are... and there are many... it just might. Islamist - largest threat.... and what do a lot of Muslims wear over their head and face again? The principal IS NOT the same for all. When was the last time you went to East London? It's very intimidating now. You're instructed not to make eye contact on public transport, as there are so many in this getup, for whom male eye contact is strictly forbidden by anyone but their husband/owners. |
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Post by captslapper on Mar 11, 2022 15:26:05 GMT
Im trying to remember all the islamic terrorist attacks that have happened in the UK and how many were carried out by women in full face get up. Cant think of any.
Its almost always a bloke (s) wearing pretty normal gear, so yes, if theyre known to the anti terrorist services and their face is on the databank, as many are, then there s decent chance they'll be identified and action can be taken.
If that means the kit has also identified Maureen on her way to bingo, then so what.
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Post by clappyhapper on Mar 11, 2022 15:50:06 GMT
Just to add…. … street dealers, county lines, organised crime groups , cannabis farms, human trafficking, money laundering, firearms offences, domestic violence, sexual abuse and assaults…. Each and every one taken seriously and doggedly pursued. You would be amazed at the dedication and professionalism shown by WYP coppers and staff… and NCA officers and staff in their efforts to make a difference. Do you get a dozen cops round your gaff if someone throws an egg at your window? No… When your lawnmower is nicked from your shed? No… When you complain that Billy at number 20 drives with his music too loud past your house? No…. When your neighbour parks outside your house? No…. So why do you think they will give a shit about anyone going about their legitimate day to day business? Country Lines is getting quite bad in the South. Gangs on London are now appearing in leafy villages and tows, 50 miles into the countryside, going to existing small time pot dealers and the like waving knives around. I've personally seen this when one of the local dealers in my nice suburban, former village, now swallowed into the town, when the local scrote ran into the pub screaming for his life as 2 promising drill rappers or footballers were bouncing up and down in the car park waving knives around, shouting obscenities in the faux Jamaican Yardie speak which has replaced Cockney in London. We had to get a few of us bigger lads to chase them off with pool cue's, as they refused to leave. They got in a car round the corner and speed off. Neither looked old enough to drive, so I presume it was stolen. Then a couple of weeks ago, 4 young black men presumably from London (the foot soldiers they send here are often no older than 16, but armed with machetes and large knives), stormed into a house used by two other local pot dealing scrotes, stabbed one of them and the pit bull type dick extension dog. It's basically a message to cease trading, because their bigger gang members are soon moving into the area. The scrotes with the dog's mother, who lives there too, was cheeky enough to start a GoLineMyPockets Page asking for donations to pay da vet bill innit. Apparently, her little drug dealing sons are "angles" and she used the autism excuse to stop the coppers from investigating why they were targeted. Those of us locally, know full well why. |
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Post by clappyhapper on Mar 11, 2022 15:54:03 GMT
Im trying to remember all the islamic terrorist attacks that have happened in the UK and how many were carried out by women in full face get up. Cant think of any. Its almost always a bloke (s) wearing pretty normal gear, so yes, if theyre known to the anti terrorist services and their face is on the databank, as many are, then there s decent chance they'll be identified and action can be taken. If that means the kit has also identified Maureen on her way to bingo, then so what. I'm trying to think why you can't grasp the very simple premise, that the facial recognition now in place, wasn't previously, so wearing a burqa made no difference then, but will now. Actually, I kind of expected it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 15:56:45 GMT
Crimes of terror are committed in the UK by white supremacists/islamaphobes/neo-nazi's on a daily basis. But I guess your agenda is clear - no further comment from me. Can you expand on that? What do you mean by crimes of terror? In terms of terrorist attacks, as people think of them, then Id be amazed if the threat from islamists isn't by far and away the largest type. Going back to the facial recognition, then whatever group of threat someone might be in, then the principle is the same. If its an unknown person then it wont make any difference. But those that are... and there are many... it just might. Sorry yes, I mean violent crimes with a basis in terror - not necessarily mass attacks that some might imply from 'terrorist attacks'. Hence why the Counter TERRORISM Unit investigate them. And note I've not mentioned or intimated that threat from islamists isn't the largest type. All I'm saying is that violent (and often individualised) crimes are committed daily by white supremacists, and its the fastest growing type of this behaviour. |
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Post by sensibleidiot on Mar 11, 2022 16:24:00 GMT
Just to add…. … street dealers, county lines, organised crime groups , cannabis farms, human trafficking, money laundering, firearms offences, domestic violence, sexual abuse and assaults…. Each and every one taken seriously and doggedly pursued. You would be amazed at the dedication and professionalism shown by WYP coppers and staff… and NCA officers and staff in their efforts to make a difference. Do you get a dozen cops round your gaff if someone throws an egg at your window? No… When your lawnmower is nicked from your shed? No… When you complain that Billy at number 20 drives with his music too loud past your house? No…. When your neighbour parks outside your house? No…. So why do you think they will give a shit about anyone going about their legitimate day to day business? Country Lines is getting quite bad in the South. Gangs on London are now appearing in leafy villages and tows, 50 miles into the countryside, going to existing small time pot dealers and the like waving knives around. I've personally seen this when one of the local dealers in my nice suburban, former village, now swallowed into the town, when the local scrote ran into the pub screaming for his life as 2 promising drill rappers or footballers were bouncing up and down in the car park waving knives around, shouting obscenities in the faux Jamaican Yardie speak which has replaced Cockney in London. We had to get a few of us bigger lads to chase them off with pool cue's, as they refused to leave. They got in a car round the corner and speed off. Neither looked old enough to drive, so I presume it was stolen. Then a couple of weeks ago, 4 young black men presumably from London (the foot soldiers they send here are often no older than 16, but armed with machetes and large knives), stormed into a house used by two other local pot dealing scrotes, stabbed one of them and the pit bull type dick extension dog. It's basically a message to cease trading, because their bigger gang members are soon moving into the area. The scrotes with the dog's mother, who lives there too, was cheeky enough to start a GoLineMyPockets Page asking for donations to pay da vet bill innit. Apparently, her little drug dealing sons are "angles" and she used the autism excuse to stop the coppers from investigating why they were targeted. Those of us locally, know full well why. Save your typing finger next time and instead of story time, just type black is bad. |
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Post by clappyhapper on Mar 11, 2022 17:21:40 GMT
Sorry yes, I mean violent crimes with a basis in terror - not necessarily mass attacks that some might imply from 'terrorist attacks'. Hence why the Counter TERRORISM Unit investigate them. And note I've not mentioned or intimated that threat from islamists isn't the largest type. All I'm saying is that violent (and often individualised) crimes are committed daily by white supremacists, and its the fastest growing type of this behaviour.Yet the last 2 racist murders I remember around Huddersfield of late have been gangs of poor innocent Pakistani men who both allowed a white supremacist to violently run at their fists, knives and feet, so many times, both died in both incidents. This is the name I can remember, the other escapes me at the moment, but was the same situation about a year ago and local to Hudds too. www.westyorkshire.police.uk/news-appeals/six-males-given-life-sentences-murder-bradley-gledhill-batleyIsn't it funny how race isn't mentioned once by the police, when it's a gang of 6 Pakistani Muslims attacking and killing a single white, English boy? In fact this one barely made the news down here. When the tables are turned however, so one ethnic minority lad is attacked and killed by 6 white men, we never hear the last of it, the mother is made a dame, the BBC make a documentary over it and the family receive millions in compo. Why the disparity? Actually, don't bother, we all know why. Racism only works one way does it not? |
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Post by clappyhapper on Mar 11, 2022 17:23:36 GMT
Country Lines is getting quite bad in the South. Gangs on London are now appearing in leafy villages and tows, 50 miles into the countryside, going to existing small time pot dealers and the like waving knives around. I've personally seen this when one of the local dealers in my nice suburban, former village, now swallowed into the town, when the local scrote ran into the pub screaming for his life as 2 promising drill rappers or footballers were bouncing up and down in the car park waving knives around, shouting obscenities in the faux Jamaican Yardie speak which has replaced Cockney in London. We had to get a few of us bigger lads to chase them off with pool cue's, as they refused to leave. They got in a car round the corner and speed off. Neither looked old enough to drive, so I presume it was stolen. Then a couple of weeks ago, 4 young black men presumably from London (the foot soldiers they send here are often no older than 16, but armed with machetes and large knives), stormed into a house used by two other local pot dealing scrotes, stabbed one of them and the pit bull type dick extension dog. It's basically a message to cease trading, because their bigger gang members are soon moving into the area. The scrotes with the dog's mother, who lives there too, was cheeky enough to start a GoLineMyPockets Page asking for donations to pay da vet bill innit. Apparently, her little drug dealing sons are "angles" and she used the autism excuse to stop the coppers from investigating why they were targeted. Those of us locally, know full well why. Save your typing finger next time and instead of story time, just type black is bad. No, we're not allowed to say that practically ALL London based knife and drug crime is committed by black gangs, because the truth offends people. Just like we're not allowed to comment on the ethnicity and religion of the vast majority of Child Sex Grooming gangs, or FGM, or terror attacks in the UK (no matter what the liberal left in the civil service keep trotting out to divert). |
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Post by captslapper on Mar 11, 2022 17:31:45 GMT
Im trying to remember all the islamic terrorist attacks that have happened in the UK and how many were carried out by women in full face get up. Cant think of any. Its almost always a bloke (s) wearing pretty normal gear, so yes, if theyre known to the anti terrorist services and their face is on the databank, as many are, then there s decent chance they'll be identified and action can be taken. If that means the kit has also identified Maureen on her way to bingo, then so what. I'm trying to think why you can't grasp the very simple premise, that the facial recognition now in place, wasn't previously, so wearing a burqa made no difference then, but will now. Actually, I kind of expected it. The only simple premise is that the authorities have a big database of terrorists suspects faces that the technology might pick up on if they are in a particular place , such as Westminster. Yes they could dress up as a woman with a burka on.. yes they might not be on the database... but it should help to prevent those that dont do that.. ie the ones who carried out most previous attacks. And for reasons that , as expected defy any logic or basic reasoning, you are against this. Seemingly because 'they' will know Maureen is going to bingo. Do you ever just fancy taking a day off being you? |
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