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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 25, 2022 10:11:35 GMT
Give over what? The Ukraine government has ben keen to join th EU for donkeys years. the only reason they havent has been because of the EU. Then why are the EU wasting billions of Euros making it more Western? Investing in the country to improve it and make it more stable is not the same thing. They probably hope eventually Ukraine will be financially beneficial to the EU, then they'll allow them to join. What that got to do with Russia?? Its not a 'threat' to them.. its got fuck all to do with them.... other than Russia is so determined to position itself as the enemy of the EU and of NATO. I don't know where to start on this.... The EU want to expand their empire right up to the Russian border. They are not trying to make it more stable, they're trying to expand an out of control Massive Super Federal State. Millions of Ukranian citizens are Russian and do not want to be part of the EU. Many areas are majority Russian. But you talk as if the EU 'expanding its empire towards Moscow' is like some sort of war game. Err, hello, wake up. It is and at an alarming rate. As I've asked already, would you be comfortable with the old USSR moving as far as Belgium to the UK? That's EXACTLY what the EU have done to Russia. You think its the start of the EU plans to roll tanks over the border or something? Why do you think they created the "EU Battlegroup"? How does allowing themselves to be so reliant on Russian gas tally with that theory?? Why do you think Germany wants no part in this? They won't even let planes fly over, carrying weapons to the EU Eastern battle front. I might have to start using your news sources. That alternative cuddly reality is far less worrying than what's going on in the real world.
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Post by captslapper on Jan 25, 2022 10:26:13 GMT
Give over what? The Ukraine government has ben keen to join th EU for donkeys years. the only reason they havent has been because of the EU. Then why are the EU wasting billions of Euros making it more Western? Because they would like a stable, financially beneficial neighbour they can finally accept in their union.Investing in the country to improve it and make it more stable is not the same thing. They probably hope eventually Ukraine will be financially beneficial to the EU, then they'll allow them to join. What that got to do with Russia?? Its not a 'threat' to them.. its got fuck all to do with them.... other than Russia is so determined to position itself as the enemy of the EU and of NATO. I don't know where to start on this.... The EU want to expand their empire right up to the Russian border. They are not trying to make it more stable, they're trying to expand an out of control Massive Super Federal State. Or in the less hysterical world... the above reply. Millions of Ukranian citizens are Russian and do not want to be part of the EU. Many areas are majority Russian. And? Many people in Spain dont want to be Spanish.. same in France, same in NI..But they are.But you talk as if the EU 'expanding its empire towards Moscow' is like some sort of war game. Err, hello, wake up. It is and at an alarming rate. As I've asked already, would you be comfortable with the old USSR moving as far as Belgium to the UK? That's EXACTLY what the EU have done to Russia. For the USSR to expand to Belgium they would have had to invade with their military might and claim it through a war. That is EXACTLY what the EU have done to Russia is it? Get... a... grip!You think its the start of the EU plans to roll tanks over the border or something? Why do you think they created the "EU Battlegroup"? Waddingtons? How does allowing themselves to be so reliant on Russian gas tally with that theory?? Why do you think Germany wants no part in this? They won't even let planes fly over, carrying weapons to the EU Eastern battle front. I might have to start using your news sources. That alternative cuddly reality is far less worrying than what's going on in the real world. So the main power of the EU, the nation that basically controls its plans and direction,,,they decide to 'go to war with Russia' whilst simultaneously making themselves extremely reliant on Russian fossil fuel resources?? yeah that makes sense.
You should try my news sources. Theyre a bit less hysterical and whacky than whatever youre influenced by... and you dont have to wear a tin foil hat!
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 25, 2022 10:53:14 GMT
Because they would like a stable, financially beneficial neighbour they can finally accept in their union. [/font] I don't know where to start on this.... The EU want to expand their empire right up to the Russian border. They are not trying to make it more stable, they're trying to expand an out of control Massive Super Federal State. For the USSR to expand to Belgium they would have had to invade with their military might and claim it through a war. That is EXACTLY what the EU have done to Russia is it? Get... a... grip! Germany tried to take over Europe twice by militaty force. It failed. Now it takes it over by enforcing a Federal Empire on other countries, often using bribes of money to groom them. See Ukraine. So the main power of the EU, the nation that basically controls its plans and direction,,,they decide to 'go to war with Russia' whilst simultaneously making themselves extremely reliant on Russian fossil fuel resources??yeah that makes sense. Do keep up. www.theguardian.com/business/2021/nov/16/germany-suspends-approval-for-nord-stream-2-gas-pipelineIf you're going to debate International Politics and Current affairs, head outside of the Ladybird series for your news sources!
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Post by enoch on Jan 25, 2022 11:23:57 GMT
I've read China will be watching the west's response carefully. If we come across too weak it gives them a course for Taiwan. Alot at play here and it will lead to alot of bloodshed.
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 25, 2022 11:29:51 GMT
I've read China will be watching the west's response carefully. If we come across too weak it gives them a course for Taiwan. Alot at play here and it will lead to alot of bloodshed. I really can't see why the Western world sees Russia as it's largest threat, when China almost beyond doubt now, have just killed millions with a bio weapon and crippled economies to boost their own wealth and stature on the world stage. Ukraine has nothing to do with us. Millions of Ukranians are Pro Russia and do not want to be part of the EU. It's about time the EU stopped craving the expanding of it's empire, until it's practically knocking on the doors of the Kremlin. Even more so when our gas is at record price levels and running out fast, when a large proportion of European gas is supplied by Russia.
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Post by londontown on Jan 25, 2022 12:06:13 GMT
We poke the bear at our peril. Still, I recommend a weekend in Kiev, and you can get some cheap deals just now.
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Post by captslapper on Jan 25, 2022 12:25:34 GMT
Because they would like a stable, financially beneficial neighbour they can finally accept in their union. [/font] I don't know where to start on this.... The EU want to expand their empire right up to the Russian border. They are not trying to make it more stable, they're trying to expand an out of control Massive Super Federal State. For the USSR to expand to Belgium they would have had to invade with their military might and claim it through a war. That is EXACTLY what the EU have done to Russia is it? Get... a... grip! Germany tried to take over Europe twice by militaty force. It failed. Now it takes it over by enforcing a Federal Empire on other countries, often using bribes of money to groom them. See Ukraine. So the main power of the EU, the nation that basically controls its plans and direction,,,they decide to 'go to war with Russia' whilst simultaneously making themselves extremely reliant on Russian fossil fuel resources??yeah that makes sense. Do keep up. www.theguardian.com/business/2021/nov/16/germany-suspends-approval-for-nord-stream-2-gas-pipelineIf you're going to debate International Politics and Current affairs, head outside of the Ladybird series for your news sources! [/quote] Yeah they realised too late in the day that its a bit of a folly when theyre ( as are so many other EU members ) already so heavily reliant on Russian gas when Russia is such a despotic, expansive law unto itself. You'd think they'd have factored that vulnerability in earlier alongside their war mongering invasion plans for Russia! Not everything in the world is some child-like world domination plot of a Bond film you know, aimed at the wild imaginations of the conspiracy theorists and fantasists. Sometimes its just as it appears to be.. dull as that might be.
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 25, 2022 12:44:12 GMT
Was some of that wall of Sperg your reply? Ah, found it. As stupidity happens, Germany and the EU are clearly not so worried about Russian gas, or they wouldn't have, as I've already pointed out, canned the NordStream 2 gas pipeline. You realise the state's job is to make you plod along, obeying, paying taxes and oblivious to the corruption and moving of your taxes into their pockets right? Do you just accept the government lies for an easy life, or not even bother checking them?
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Post by captslapper on Jan 25, 2022 17:44:22 GMT
Ah, only the enlightened can see through the propaganda and know whats really going on, eh?
Thinking isn't hard, its good. Thinking too much.. WAY too much.. it seems to leave you paranoid, living through some weird fantasy world where 'something' sinister must always be going on that 'they' are trying to get away with.
Im sure Bill Gates will be behind this Ukraine situation somehow,.. he usually is. Or maybe Blofeld. There'll be thousands of blokes sat in their back bedrooms who've seen through the propaganda and know whats really happening, Im sure.
The only thing it can't possibly be, is what it obviously looks like. Way too dull for all the thinkers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2022 19:37:06 GMT
Was some of that wall of Sperg your reply? Ah, found it. As stupidity happens, Germany and the EU are clearly not so worried about Russian gas, or they wouldn't have, as I've already pointed out, canned the NordStream 2 gas pipeline. You realise the state's job is to make you plod along, obeying, paying taxes and oblivious to the corruption and moving of your taxes into their pockets right? Do you just accept the government lies for an easy life, or not even bother checking them? There are already two existing pipelines conveying large volumes of Russian gas into Europe. Nord Stream 2 is in part intended to convey future, increased flows.....as well as giving Russia a weapon with which to threaten its neighbours. It is not as critical today as the actual gas flowing into Europe, from Russia and elsewhere. Obviously, if Russia stopped its supply, in winter, Europe could be in trouble....it would be difficult to source such large, alternative supplies at short notice. I think Europe in general, and Germany in particular, would prioritise keeping Russia happy over keeping Ukraine safe. But a Russian invasion of Ukraine is by no means a certainty.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2022 19:39:05 GMT
Ah, only the enlightened can see through the propaganda and know whats really going on, eh? Thinking isn't hard, its good. Thinking too much.. WAY too much.. it seems to leave you paranoid, living through some weird fantasy world where 'something' sinister must always be going on that 'they' are trying to get away with. Im sure Bill Gates will be behind this Ukraine situation somehow,.. he usually is. Or maybe Blofeld. There'll be thousands of blokes sat in their back bedrooms who've seen through the propaganda and know whats really happening, Im sure. The only thing it can't possibly be, is what it obviously looks like. Way too dull for all the thinkers. This site has acquired a small hard core of conspiracy theory 'nutjobs'.. ..and it certainly makes for interesting and entertaining discourse!
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Post by captslapper on Jan 25, 2022 19:50:18 GMT
It does. I dont dismiss every conspiracy theory by any means,. but I think there are those who try their hardest to see one in practically everything.
they all follow the same mantra.... its obvious..only an idiot can't see it...anything that doesnt support it is propaganda etc etc
Exactly what Pixie would say when trying to tell everyone how the vapour trails at the back of aeroplanes are mind controlling chemicals being dispersed by the governments... or how the Twin towers were brought down by government planted nuclear bombs and the film of planes crashing into the towers were all CGId onto the footage ( and the memories of the witnesses presumably) and all the other deranged crap he used to spout.
Dont think anyone on here is at Pixies level, but the similarities of the language they use and how their obvious paranoia runs rampant is still there.
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 25, 2022 20:20:24 GMT
Was some of that wall of Sperg your reply? Ah, found it. As stupidity happens, Germany and the EU are clearly not so worried about Russian gas, or they wouldn't have, as I've already pointed out, canned the NordStream 2 gas pipeline. You realise the state's job is to make you plod along, obeying, paying taxes and oblivious to the corruption and moving of your taxes into their pockets right? Do you just accept the government lies for an easy life, or not even bother checking them? There are already two existing pipelines conveying large volumes of Russian gas into Europe. Nord Stream 2 is in part intended to convey future, increased flows.....as well as giving Russia a weapon with which to threaten its neighbours. It is not as critical today as the actual gas flowing into Europe, from Russia and elsewhere. Obviously, if Russia stopped its supply, in winter, Europe could be in trouble....it would be difficult to source such large, alternative supplies at short notice. I think Europe in general, and Germany in particular, would prioritise keeping Russia happy over keeping Ukraine safe. But a Russian invasion of Ukraine is by no means a certainty. We are in trouble. The price has more than doubled in the last few months and is still rising fast. GazProm have issued warnings that storage is down to less than a quarter of capacity. We will run out of gas unless we buy expensive American compressed LNG imports.. Oh, hang on. That explains why Biden is poking Putin with a shitty stick.
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Post by Wilsonwilson on Jan 25, 2022 20:24:01 GMT
Ah, only the enlightened can see through the propaganda and know whats really going on, eh? Thinking isn't hard, its good. Thinking too much.. WAY too much.. it seems to leave you paranoid, living through some weird fantasy world where 'something' sinister must always be going on that 'they' are trying to get away with. Im sure Bill Gates will be behind this Ukraine situation somehow,.. he usually is. Or maybe Blofeld. There'll be thousands of blokes sat in their back bedrooms who've seen through the propaganda and know whats really happening, Im sure. The only thing it can't possibly be, is what it obviously looks like. Way too dull for all the thinkers. This site has acquired a small hard core of conspiracy theory 'nutjobs'.. ..and it certainly makes for interesting and entertaining discourse! 6 months ago, you’d be calling anyone who suggested we’d be jabbing 12 year olds, needing 3,4 or more shots and using vaccine passports domestically as a conspiracy theorist. The problem is, 5G Moonbats like Piers Corbyn are very useful to the establishment, as they put everyone who doesn’t follow the establishment agenda in the same bracket of “conspiracy theorists”. The term was developed to discredit opposition to state propaganda.
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Post by realmadkid on Jan 25, 2022 20:47:08 GMT
This site has acquired a small hard core of conspiracy theory 'nutjobs'.. ..and it certainly makes for interesting and entertaining discourse! 6 months ago, you’d be calling anyone who suggested we’d be jabbing 12 year olds, needing 3,4 or more shots and using vaccine passports domestically as a conspiracy theorist. The problem is, 5G Moonbats like Piers Corbyn are very useful to the establishment, as they put everyone who doesn’t follow the establishment agenda in the same bracket of “conspiracy theorists”. The term was developed to discredit opposition to state propaganda. Actually coined by the CIA in the aftermath of the JFK assassination to attempt to discredit anyone who disputed the 'lone gunman' bollocks! But yes, it was a successful ploy and is now a widely accepted tool to discredit anyone who goes against the prevailing agenda. Works too!
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